[Small Bug] Bug on Cursor Font Color.

HolgerK · Post by *HolgerK » 2016-03-28, 07:21 UTC

Calm down and separate the problem from the interlocutor.

The problem with your workaround is that you are changing a default setting and behavior which will be applied to thousands of users.
And these users will not be able to restore the same look and feel of TC as before.

Even if you can't see this, you should not shoot the messenger for bringing bad news.

Regards
Holger

islogged · Post by *islogged » 2016-03-28, 18:00 UTC

The problem with your workaround is that you are changing a default setting and behavior which will be applied to thousands of users.
And these users will not be able to restore the same look and feel of TC as before.

- Default settings of TC, State 1 => Not impacted users !
- Inverted Cursor settings, State 2 => Not impacted users !
- Inverted Selection settings, State 3 => Current behavior Bugged (anyway it's already not a normal way to use)

Then Yes of course in State 3, the corrected version change the current bugged behavior !

This is the principle of a Fix !
Bye

HolgerK · Post by *HolgerK » 2016-03-28, 18:21 UTC

Any sufficiently advanced feature is indistinguishable from a bug?
Let's wait if and how this may be fixed.

Regards
Holger

islogged · Post by *islogged » 2016-03-28, 18:35 UTC

You never Stop ?

HolgerK · Post by *HolgerK » 2016-03-28, 18:37 UTC

You too?
You can't accept that not everybody shares your opinion?
_______________________
Edit:

Because islogged likes to suppress other opinions than his own:

First post wrote:Edit :
For those who don't like to read this boring and crazy thread my solution is given here (by image retouching) : http://i.imgur.com/Tc9XrCy.jpg
Last edited by islogged on Mon 16-03-28 21:39:16; edited 3 times in total

Here is my final summary of this thread.

The fix suggested by islogged
In case of "[x] use inverted selection":
(1) Set the text color of the inverted mark to the normal foreground color("Font Color")
(2) Set the text color of the non inverted cursor to the color named "Cursor Font"
(3) Change the default for "Cursor Font" to a new default color (e.g. blue).

How TC works at the moment
- "Inverted cursor or selections" has the meaning that text and background color is exchanged.
- The "Cursor Font" (which is by default the normal Background color) is used for both kinds of the inverted bars.
- Changing "Cursor Font" is only possible if one of the inverted bars modes is activated.
- Because only one of the inverted bar mode is possible at one time, this color is used in both possible inverted modes.

Problems resulting from isloggeds fix
(1) -> It's no more possible to change the font color of inverted selection independent from the normal text color.
-> The combination of a light Normal background together with a dark Mark color becomes nearly unusable, because the contrast is either bad in normal or in selected state.
-> This will break existing color configurations, and the user has no chance to restore the previous Look&Feel.

(2) -> The text displayed inside the not inverted cursor is different when using inverted selection and using no inverted bar at all.
(And I guess this needs extra programming effort to guarantee that "use colors by file type" is also applied to this text).

(3) -> Different Look&Feel for users who never changed the "Cursor Color"

Two alternative solutions (without restricted functionality or incompatibility)

(A) Change the wording "Cursor Font" to "Inverted Font" to reflect the current behavior of TC.

(B) Add a second inverted font color setting for the Mark "Mark Font".

Regards
Holger

islogged · Post by *islogged » 2016-03-29, 20:45 UTC

The fix suggested by islogged
In case of "[x] use inverted selection":
(1) Set the text color of the inverted mark to the normal foreground color("Font Color")
(2) Set the text color of the non inverted cursor to the color named "Cursor Font"
(3) Change the default for "Cursor Font" to a new default color (e.g. blue).

My god, you finally understood !!!

How TC works at the moment
- "Inverted cursor or selections" has the meaning that text and background color is exchanged.

Two alternative solutions (without restricted functionality or incompatibility)
(A) Change the wording "Cursor Font" to "Inverted Font" to reflect the current behavior of TC.

Wrong !

First: Red on White ( http://i.imgur.com/naFp3Pj.jpg ) become Red on Black ( http://i.imgur.com/CkWMDnw.jpg ) and not White on Red as you told or ... it's a new Bug !
Second: The Author put the Label "Cursor Font" and you transform it in your Mind to "Inverted Font"

At Final :
In State 2, the "Cursor Font" already change the cursor color as it promised: http://i.imgur.com/XV8nV8f.jpg
In State 3, the "Cursor Font" change the cursor color as it promised (with my solution): http://i.imgur.com/Tc9XrCy.jpg

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(And I guess this needs extra programming effort to guarantee that "use colors by file type" is also applied to this text).

???

-> The combination of a light Normal background together with a dark Mark color becomes nearly unusable, because the contrast is either bad in normal or in selected state.

???

-> This will break existing color configurations, and the user has no chance to restore the previous Look&Feel.
3) -> Different Look&Feel for users who never changed the "Cursor Color"

Same argument ? + ???

(2) -> The text displayed inside the not inverted cursor is different when using inverted selection and using no inverted bar at all.

(Editing) Right ! Then what's the problem?
It's already the current behavior, a Cursor Font color who change after a switched colorState: http://i.imgur.com/XV8nV8f.jpg

Problems resulting from isloggeds fix
(1) -> It's no more possible to change the font color of inverted selection independent from the normal text color.

Right !
But you can choose a different font color for the Cursor (as the label suggest) and the normal text => Who that's actually impossible.

The result is you don't loose a color functionality as you seem to tell !
You loose one and You win one

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(B) Add a second inverted font color setting for the Mark "Mark Font".

I'm totally Ok for adding a [Mark Font] more than the actual [Mark Color].
(even we no need it, if we just correct this Bug repport )

Then, why i'm Ok ?
- First, It add the possibility to finally have a different font color for : [Mark], [Cursor] and [Normal Text]
- And second, it totally solve all the technical color problems for adding my suggestion here: http://ghisler.ch/board/viewtopic.php?t=43757&highlight=

Then thanks to HolgerK for that ^^

Ps :

Because islogged likes to suppress other opinions than his own:

Don't Cry ^^ => http://ghisler.ch/board/viewtopic.php?p=306402#306402

HolgerK · Post by *HolgerK » 2016-03-29, 22:18 UTC

islogged wrote:My god, you finally understood !!!

Why do i not feel lauded by this formulation?

islogged wrote: Wrong !
....
Wrong !
....
Then ... only this is Right !

All is correct but you seems to be unable to understand.

islogged wrote:But you can choose a different font color for the Cursor (as the label suggest)

HolgerK wrote:One may argument that the definition of cursor (a cursor is an indicator used to show the current position for user interaction ) may fit to both kinds of inverted bars, but it's not so clear, and can lead to misunderstandings.

What else is the cursor or the selected files: "current position for user interaction"!

The result is you don't loose a color functionality as you seem to tell !
You loose one and You win one

Nice try to hide a incompatible change.
I don't loose anything because I don't use the inverted selection.
But many other may.
And I don't seem to tell.
It's a fact.

(B) Add a second inverted font color setting for the Mark "Mark Font".
I'm totally Ok for adding a [Mark Font] more than the actual [Mark Color].
(even we no need it, if we just correct this Bug repport )

Already mentioned here on the first page.

Why do I feel so tired...
Holger

islogged · Post by *islogged » 2016-03-29, 23:19 UTC

What else is the cursor or the selected files: "current position for user interaction"!

???

I don't loose anything because I don't use the inverted selection.
But many other may.
And I don't seem to tell.

It was not about You, it was just an example !
Maybe a problem French => English !

Already mentioned here on the first page.

I know ... and already answered here: http://ghisler.ch/board/viewtopic.php?p=306484#306484

Why do I feel so tired...

Maybe because you told you leave http://ghisler.ch/board/viewtopic.php?p=306518#306518 but until now you stay.

HolgerK · Post by *HolgerK » 2016-03-30, 19:48 UTC

but until now you stay

As long as "mister know-it-all" does not accept that a feature implemented in the year 2000

25.09.00 Added: Show selected files inverse (configurable)

which was never really noticed as a significant bug or misbehavior, can not simply be changed.
TC is a long existing application with a huge user base.
Compatibility changes and their acceptance are a sensitive area.

Regards
Holger

Edit: Okay islogged.
You want it, you got it: <*-¦-¦-¦-¦-¦-><
*plonk*

islogged · Post by *islogged » 2016-03-31, 04:52 UTC

I don't like answer to this kind of arguments !
Anyway, Yeah i found the Y2K bug

Edit :

Edit: Okay islogged.
You want it, you got it: <*-¦-¦-¦-¦-¦-><
*plonk*

Sigh' ...