TotalCommander 6.53- copy NTFS permissions

[karnin]

F5 copy option provides an additional switch on NTFS file systems:
'Copy NTFS permissions (may need administrator rights)'

Is it similar to ROBOCOPY.EXE which is included in 'Windows Resource Kit Tools WinXP/2003', free MS download....
http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/details.aspx?familyid=9d467a69-57ff-4ae7-96ee-b18c4790cffd&displaylang=en

ROBOCOPY.EXE copies directories or whole NTFS discs in backup mode too, all NTFS infos/options/rights are included:
D=Data,
A=Attributes,
T=Timestamps,
S=Security=NTFS ACLs,
O=Owner info,
U=aUditing info.

Does TC 6.53 also copy whole NTFS rights listed above??

ROBOCOPY.EXE is a command line tool, TC would be much more sophisticated TC

[ghisler(Author)]

The first 3 rights (D, A, T) are copied even if you don't check this checkbox. When you check "NTFS permissions", TC copies Owner, Group and Permissions (ACLs) using the functions GetFileSecurity and SetFileSecurity with parameters
OWNER_SECURITY_INFORMATION,
GROUP_SECURITY_INFORMATION,
DACL_SECURITY_INFORMATION

There is no parameter for auditing info, though, so it isn't currently copied.

[karnin]

There is no parameter for auditing info, though, so it isn't currently copied.

What is the content and/or meaning of 'auditing info', which is NOT copied by TC? Is it needed while restoring a Windows NTFS system ?
Something about 'System access control list' ?
http://www.pcnineoneone.com/howto/filesystems4.html

[ghisler(Author)]

Auditing is a log of who has accessed or modified a file at which time, if I understand this correctly. Sorry, I don't know what system ACLs are - anyone else?

[Lefteous]

2ghisler(Author)

I don't know what system ACLs are - anyone else?

ACLS are access control lists.
http://msdn.microsoft.com/library/default.asp?url=/library/en-us/secauthz/security/acl.asp

[ghisler(Author)]

2Lefteous
I know what access control lists are! The problem was that there are DACLs (file access control) and the so far unknown system ACLs. I made some research on MSDN, and found this:

system access control list
(SACL) An ACL that controls the generation of audit messages for attempts to access a securable object. The ability to get or set an object's SACL is controlled by a privilege typically held only by system administrators.

So apparently these SACLs are really responsible for audit messages. I didn't try to copy them so far because they failed if not admin. I will try to copy them when the user is logged in as admin in version 7.

[Lefteous]

2ghisler(Author)

I know what access control lists are!

Sorry I must have overlooked the word "system".

[karnin]

So apparently these SACLs are really responsible for audit messages. I didn't try to copy them so far because they failed if not admin. I will try to copy them when the user is logged in as admin in version 7.

Thanks a lot, let me know if needing a beta tester.....

[Tahattmeruh]

I'm willing to beta test this also.