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Which plugin to sort genre (music)?

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I am using Shelldetails and it seems it sorts genres wrong or can't read them properly. Is there other plugins that can do that?

Thanks in advance!
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I haven't had any troubles with the genre field in Shelldetails but file format support might by limited. It really depends on what type of music files you have.
Sorting should never be a problem as it's done by TC not the plugin. Can you give an example?

A few other plugins dealing with music files:
http://totalcmd.net/plugring/decid3.html
http://totalcmd.net/plugring/wdxtaglib.html
http://totalcmd.net/plugring/wdx_anytag.html (32 bit only)
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Lefteous wrote:I haven't had any troubles with the genre field in Shelldetails but file format support might by limited. It really depends on what type of music files you have.
Sorting should never be a problem as it's done by TC not the plugin. Can you give an example?

A few other plugins dealing with music files:
http://totalcmd.net/plugring/decid3.html
http://totalcmd.net/plugring/wdxtaglib.html
http://totalcmd.net/plugring/wdx_anytag.html (32 bit only)
Well in this case it's just ordinary mp3's with constant bitrate. Shelldetails can read the genre on most of them but some of them it is unable to read and shows them with an empty genre tag despite they having genre filled in their ID3 tag. Foobar reads them fine though so i wonder would could be wrong?
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2christianh
Can you try with Windows Explorer and report if there is a difference to using shelldetails.Genre in TC?
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Lefteous wrote:2christianh
Can you try with Windows Explorer and report if there is a difference to using shelldetails.Genre in TC?
It shows the same as Shelldetails on all mp3's. Strange that Foobar shows the correct genre but the others don't.
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In this case you'll have to stick with one of the other mentioned content plugins. Sorry but ShellDetails displays the Explorer as they are - not better and hopefully not worse.
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christianh wrote:
Lefteous wrote:.... Strange that Foobar shows the correct genre but the others don't.
Foobar is a oftware dedicated to multimedia and the tag library is probably more advanced that standard windows support !
Anytag is my preferred tag library but it is not 64Bit, WDXTagLib is also a good library !
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christianh wrote:Strange that Foobar shows the correct genre but the others don't.
Check what genre is making trouble and consult for example http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ID3

Some entries may be extensions to the original specification, which are probably not supported by Windows,
or are in the extended tag, which is also not supported, contrary to Foobar and similar software.
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nsp wrote:
christianh wrote:
Lefteous wrote:.... Strange that Foobar shows the correct genre but the others don't.
Foobar is a oftware dedicated to multimedia and the tag library is probably more advanced that standard windows support !
Anytag is my preferred tag library but it is not 64Bit, WDXTagLib is also a good library !
Thanks will have to try Anytag. I run the combined x32/x64 TC so it will work with that?
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milo1012 wrote:
christianh wrote:Strange that Foobar shows the correct genre but the others don't.
Check what genre is making trouble and consult for example http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ID3

Some entries may be extensions to the original specification, which are probably not supported by Windows,
or are in the extended tag, which is also not supported, contrary to Foobar and similar software.
Thanks for the answer! Where can i see if it's an extended id3 tag or not? Some of the mp3's have id3v1 and some id3v2.4.
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christianh wrote:Where can i see if it's an extended id3 tag or not? Some of the mp3's have id3v1 and some id3v2.4.
The extended/enhanced tag is just for ID3v1.
There are several ways to view, one is to open the file in TC's Lister
in Text or Hex mode and see if the readable fields at the very end of the file starts with "TAG+". (the '+' character is important)
(or quickly search through your files with TC's file content search with that very term, enabling case sensitivity)

But since these headers are quite rare I guess it's more likely that there is just a genre embedded that is not supported by Windows.
Or, which is even more likely, that these files use ID3v2 2.4 only, which is not really supported.
Besides that:
  • missing ID3v1 can be a problem
  • when having ID3v2 only it should follow the 2.3 specs for best compatibility
  • character set should be ISO 8859-1, and not Unicode, for best compatibility
I'm not sure what the main issue with the Windows tag parser is,
but try modifying such problematic files with Mp3tag step by step (first enable ID3v1, then rewrite v2 to the 2.3 specs, then charset),
to see when you get the correct information.
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milo1012 wrote:
christianh wrote:Where can i see if it's an extended id3 tag or not? Some of the mp3's have id3v1 and some id3v2.4.
The extended/enhanced tag is just for ID3v1.
There are several ways to view, one is to open the file in TC's Lister
in Text or Hex mode and see if the readable fields at the very end of the file starts with "TAG+". (the '+' character is important)
(or quickly search through your files with TC's file content search with that very term, enabling case sensitivity)

But since these headers are quite rare I guess it's more likely that there is just a genre embedded that is not supported by Windows.
Or, which is even more likely, that these files use ID3v2 2.4 only, which is not really supported.
Besides that:
  • missing ID3v1 can be a problem
  • when having ID3v2 only it should follow the 2.3 specs for best compatibility
  • character set should be ISO 8859-1, and not Unicode, for best compatibility
I'm not sure what the main issue with the Windows tag parser is,
but try modifying such problematic files with Mp3tag step by step (first enable ID3v1, then rewrite v2 to the 2.3 specs, then charset),
to see when you get the correct information.
Thanks very much! It was very helpful!
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