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Make the registration data in the titlebar optional

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I know this have been discussed before but the registration data in the title bar [u]have[/u] to go. It's okay to have it enabled by default but at least give the option to remove it. It's beyond my understanding how this is suppose to increase the moral obligation of NOT using a pirated version when the target is already paying users?

This is the single reason that holding be back from buying a license for this otherwise superior application.
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cray wrote:I know this have been discussed before but the registration data in the title bar have to go.
If you know that topic is still discussed here, why don't you try search? You'll have found this . and could have added your posting. By the way you would have earned many opinions about this task.
cray wrote: It's beyond my understanding how this is suppose to increase the moral obligation of NOT using a pirated version when the target is already paying users?
According to Christian it works ( and I do believe - how could he give otherwise the updates for free). So you should have to ask a psychologist about the way it does. ( I guess Christian does not know it by himself - but probably it's not his interest to know how it work if it works.)
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This is the single reason that holding be back from buying a license for this otherwise superior application.
Why don't you register TC to 'Henry Anyone'? Or register it and use in public a unregistered version? Do you really think that copy protection - or the attempt of copy protection - is a reason not to pay for a program.

Frankly I do not like your argumentation.

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If you know that topic is still discussed here, why don't you try search? You'll have found this . and could have added your posting. By the way you would have earned many opinions about this task.
The "task" seemed dead so i decided to try to get the matter on topic again.
According to Christian it works ( and I do believe - how could he give otherwise the updates for free). So you should have to ask a psychologist about the way it does. ( I guess Christian does not know it by himself - but probably it's not his interest to know how it work if it works.)
I might just be shooting from the hip here but I'm guessing the reason for the success have nothing to do with the titlebar, but okay, ill take your (his) word for it. The logic is infallible, registration data in the titlebar -> upgrades still free. Thanks for the tip about a psychologist. I'll look into that seeing what wonders it have done for you.
Why don't you register TC to 'Henry Anyone'?
If there is a obvious way around it, why not make it user configurable so
i can get rid of "Sheepdogs mom" when I'm bored with it/her.
Do you really think that copy protection - or the attempt of copy protection - is a reason not to pay for a program.
Actually, as a consumer i can choose not to buy something if it doesn't meet my expected standard.
Frankly I do not like your argumentation.
I believe that is something you should take with your psychologist during the next session. I'm sure you will eventually get with the terms of accepting that not everyone share your point of view.
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Dead threads get back to life and get pushed to the forum top when you answer in them... ;)

I second your request of course.
So, if you need a clean TC and don't wanna work with an unregistered version in public use a crack or some 3rd party dll injection. It's ghisler's choice not to satisfy his customers regarding this matter so they have no other choice, sad but true.

I neither think that you need a psychologist but I also think that "Sheepdogs mom" is a no-no to express your point of view...

@Sheepdog:
What do you mean with "it works"? What has name in titlebar to do with free upgrades?
You can remove name with a crack anyway, so why force paying customers to use those instead of making the display optional?

Ghisler's arguments regarding this matter are as strange as the arguments of music industry why they use copy protection: to "prevent" people from giving their music away for free to their friends, silly.

Why should people first pay for their license because they wanna support the author and then give the fully functional copy away for free to their friends? Paranoia?

The registered name could be STILL visible in the about box or other places in TC. To remove it from titlebar is just a cosmetic change, no anonymization.

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I personally believe that the appearance if the user’s name on the title bar has nothing to do with licensing the application itself. Please, Christian correct me if I’m wrong here. I believe that it is just a “design” option that Christian didn’t really go into the trouble to make it optional (there are more important things to take care first).

The reg info are accessible via the about section also. To my humble opinion the request from the users is purely aesthetical and not one that has to do with “proving” the validity if the license itself. I vote as well for having the displayed name optional. Just because it looks to me too much to have my name displayed and visible all the time. Since the license states that TC should only be used only by the person who is registered for the software and not based on the actual number of installations some users and/or organizations/companies may not like the have the name displayed on the application in the work environment.
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Please delete your answer in the other thread and put it here so the ideas and comments aren't split in two threads.

Now we have a second and more recent thread HERE and the other can be considered dead, really. The last answers in the old thread were something about "happy new year", "use an unregistered copy" and "move TC window up the screen border", not really great alternatives considering that it needed three pages to bring up those solutions...

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cray wrote: Thanks for the tip about a psychologist. I'll look into that seeing what wonders it have done for you.
I do not care about your mental health. Psychologists do find out why people act in a special way in particular situations - so they may have an explanation, why people buy TC rather with username in taskbar than without.
You wrote this were beyond your understanding - I meant that a psychlogist could help you understand it.
Actually, as a consumer i can choose not to buy something if it doesn't meet my expected standard.
To declare not to buy TC because of its copy protection seems to me mendacious.

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By the way: I think I did you give no reason to insult my mother.
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icfu wrote:@Sheepdog:
What do you mean with "it works"? What has name in titlebar to do with free upgrades?

I don't know. But it seems that Christian believes there is a coherence .
Why should people first pay for their license because they wanna support the author and then give the fully functional copy away for free to their friends? Paranoia?
I agree. But as I mentioned before I do not like the argumentation of cray. And his attempt 'Change this behaviour in yor prog or I will not buy a lizense' is childish - in my opinion - if one could take it serious (what I doubt).
The registered name could be STILL visible in the about box or other places in TC. To remove it from titlebar is just a cosmetic change, no anonymization.
I'm convinced that Christian wouldn't sell just one copy less if he'd remove the name completely. Any lizensed TC user I know, did not buy the lizense to prevent the 1,2, 3 click or because he was tired of downloading new keygenerators but to support Christian for developing his great program.

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Personally I never ever register any software to my real name. It's kind of data protection for me. So your arguments don't fit.

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To declare not to buy TC because of its copy protection seems to me mendacious.
Eh? You may not believe me but it's the truth. Why would i be here whining about it otherwise? Why reward stupid and naive ideas? I don't buy copy protected music cds for the very same reason.
I agree. But as I mentioned before I do not like the argumentation of cray. And his attempt 'Change this behaviour in yor prog or I will not buy a lizense' is childish - in my opinion - if one could take it serious (what I doubt).
Dude, are you for real? How is letting the software author (in this case) know why you won't buy his product childish? I think you need a reality check because this is way you get improvements/progress made in the real world. By the way, when you get past 5th grade, ask your teacher for the correct spelling of the word "lizense" since it undermines your credibility when accusing people of being childish.
Personally I never ever register any software to my real name. It's kind of data protection for me. So your arguments don't fit.
That's just great.
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2icfu
if you need a clean TC and don't wanna work with an unregistered version in public use a crack or some 3rd party dll injection.
In germany it's forbidden to crack a software or to use a crack. I guess other countries have similar laws.
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Recurrent issue--

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2Sheepdog
:) Hello Stefan !
• I agree your point of view in the outlines.
* This subject is recurrent here…
* It was also discussed on the French forum HERE (for those who can read French... Or else, just ask for an abstract in English... if you aren't too hurry!)
* I expressed my opinion already in the old thread (including some jokes :P ), and stay as is.
* Maybe someones would prefer another program for ~40 € + ~19 € yearly for updates ? Expansive to get no name in the title bar... and usable only by German and English-speaking well heeled people…

:mrgreen: Friendly regards,
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Re: Make the registration data in the titlebar optional

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cray wrote:I know this have been discussed before but the registration data in the title bar have to go. It's okay to have it enabled by default but at least give the option to remove it. It's beyond my understanding how this is suppose to increase the moral obligation of NOT using a pirated version when the target is already paying users?

This is the single reason that holding be back from buying a license for this otherwise superior application.
The "task" seemed dead so i decided to try to get the matter on topic again.
but okay, ill take your (his)
so i can get rid
Eh? You may not believe me but it's the truth. Why would i be here whining about it otherwise?
Possibly to get a version of TC you could better sell for your own account.
How is letting the software author (in this case) know
ask your teacher for the correct spelling
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@Lefteous:
There is no law forbidding "cracking", reverse engineering, whatever... As long as you do it for your own and don't release the cracked version you can do whatever you want with the software you have bought.

I am not interested in what the author *wants* me to do with his software. He got paid so it's not his business anymore.

MS EULA for example is completely irrelevant in Germany because you don't see it BEFORE you buy the product. In Germany a software you buy belongs you.

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