Does TC uses Windows Search Index in any way to speed up search?

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Does TC uses Windows Search Index in any way to speed up search?

Post by *Digika » 2019-05-26, 14:50 UTC

I was thinking about disabling WS service completely but I would like to gather some info first if TC uses it in any way. I did quick grep of the logs but havent found anything of relevance.
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(obviously I do not just account for TC, I plan to investigate how Visual Studio uses it but that's besides the ropic).

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Re: Does TC uses Windows Search Index in any way to speed up search?

Post by *Horst.Epp » 2019-05-26, 14:57 UTC

Currently TC doesn't use Windows search at all.
There is no benefit to disable the search indexer on actual hardware.
I find Windows content search very usefull and have an entry in the search results to open them with TC.
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Re: Does TC uses Windows Search Index in any way to speed up search?

Post by *Digika » 2019-05-26, 19:37 UTC

Horst.Epp wrote:
2019-05-26, 14:57 UTC
Currently TC doesn't use Windows search at all.
Source? Reference?
There is no benefit to disable the search indexer on actual hardware.
I find Windows content search very usefull and have an entry in the search results to open them with TC.
I'm not asking for advice on unrelated subject

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Re: Does TC uses Windows Search Index in any way to speed up search?

Post by *tuska » 2019-05-26, 20:19 UTC

Digika wrote:
2019-05-26, 19:37 UTC
Horst.Epp wrote:
2019-05-26, 14:57 UTC
Currently TC doesn't use Windows search at all.
Source? Reference?
It's a fact.
You won't find a hint in either the TC Help (F1) or the History.txt that TC uses the Windows index-based search.

A short search in the forum would have brought you quite fast to this discussion and information from the author:
https://ghisler.ch/board/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=44873

In addition, I think you can trust a long-time Power Member (Horst.Epp) so much that you get the right information here.

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Re: Does TC uses Windows Search Index in any way to speed up search?

Post by *Horst.Epp » 2019-05-26, 21:17 UTC

Digika wrote:
2019-05-26, 19:37 UTC
Horst.Epp wrote:
2019-05-26, 14:57 UTC
Currently TC doesn't use Windows search at all.
Source? Reference?
There is no benefit to disable the search indexer on actual hardware.
I find Windows content search very usefull and have an entry in the search results to open them with TC.
I'm not asking for advice on unrelated subject
So you are not searching for real answers.
Then see if anyone can help you, I guess not.
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Re: Does TC uses Windows Search Index in any way to speed up search?

Post by *ghisler(Author) » 2019-05-27, 13:36 UTC

I can confirm that TC doesn't use the Windows search index. I found it too lacking so I'm using "Everything" instead (if installed).
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Re: Does TC uses Windows Search Index in any way to speed up search?

Post by *Digika » 2019-05-27, 18:23 UTC

ghisler(Author) wrote:
2019-05-27, 13:36 UTC
I found it too lacking [...]
Any examples of what was lacking in comparison to Everything?

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Re: Does TC uses Windows Search Index in any way to speed up search?

Post by *tuska » 2019-05-27, 23:32 UTC

Digika wrote:
2019-05-27, 18:23 UTC
Any examples of what was lacking in comparison to Everything?
Have you ever tried to find a file with Everything?
A comparison makes you sure: The file will be found immediately(!) with Everything (Everything Service enabled).

An important point concerning a search [for a file] with Windows Explorer (WSearch Service enabled -> Windows Search)
was mentioned and explained in detail by Dalai in the above linked topic.

In practice I get the following hint when searching for a file with Windows Explorer: "Content of the folder is listed...".
Until this hint disappears after some time and I get the file listed, I found it with Everything long(!) ago
and would have found it also with a search in TC (without Everything integration) before.


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Re: Does TC uses Windows Search Index in any way to speed up search?

Post by *ghisler(Author) » 2019-05-30, 09:17 UTC

Also the Windows search service uses an index, which only covers part of the files (usually the user's documents), and needs to be updated in the background to stay current. Everything uses the NTFS master file table, so it is always up to date and finds literally everything on that disk.
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Re: Does TC uses Windows Search Index in any way to speed up search?

Post by *Horst.Epp » 2019-05-30, 09:22 UTC

ghisler(Author) wrote:
2019-05-30, 09:17 UTC
Also the Windows search service uses an index, which only covers part of the files (usually the user's documents), and needs to be updated in the background to stay current. Everything uses the NTFS master file table, so it is always up to date and finds literally everything on that disk.
In the Windows version 1903 you now have an option to index the whole disk and make exceptions.
Much better than the previous one in which we had to add additional folders outside the normal ones.
Update in the background is almost uptodate for me.
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Re: Does TC uses Windows Search Index in any way to speed up search?

Post by *tuska » 2019-05-30, 19:02 UTC

After updating Windows and have done a fine-tuning to the search settings in Windows Explorer, I am now
- after completed indexing of the search - with the search results for file- and content(!)-searches,
especially with regard to the speed with which search results are displayed in Windows Explorer very satisfied.

My above statement is relativized by this.
In my case the problem was in front of the PC :roll:


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