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Interesting OS statistics

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https://gs.statcounter.com/os-version-market-share/windows/desktop/worldwide

It could look like Windows 11 is going to as big a disaster as Windows 8/8.1

Also shows that there is a good reason for Total Commander to still be fully compatible with Windows 7.
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This counters say nothing at all.
Chrome and Firefox will stop supporting Windows 7 next year
so its market share will shrink.
Btw. I had all version of Windows including 7, 8, 8.1, 10 and now 11.
At least for me Windows 11 is no disaster and all new PCs have it preinstalled.
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Windows 11 isn't a disaster in my opinion, it's a minor update in some cases and a minor downgrade in others (e.g. the task bar).

However, limiting the upgrade to Intel 8 generation processors and newer will be a major disaster in 2025 when the majority of people can't upgrade and Windows 10 will not get any more security updates.
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ghisler(Author) wrote: 2022-11-08, 16:26 UTC Windows 11 isn't a disaster in my opinion, it's a minor update in some cases and a minor downgrade in others (e.g. the task bar).

However, limiting the upgrade to Intel 8 generation processors and newer will be a major disaster in 2025 when the majority of people can't upgrade and Windows 10 will not get any more security updates.
Their current list isn't so small.
https://learn.microsoft.com/en-us/windows-hardware/design/minimum/supported/windows-11-22h2-supported-intel-processors
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That's just because each Intel generation has a ridiculous number of variations.
If you look just at the "Core™" column, you can see that only numbers >=8000 are supported, which is 8th generation (each year Intel releases a new generation). It looks like they added the 7th generation core i7 and i9 now, but the cheaper i3 and i5 are still excluded. Let's hope that they will add more generations by 2025. Of our 7 PCs and laptops, not a single one could be upgraded officially, so I had to buy a new PC just to test on Windows 11. Our other 6 machines remain on 10 so far. I guess that many people will have the same problem.
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Of our 7 PCs and laptops, not a single one could be upgraded officially,
Same here, not one of our 5 PC's con be upgraded.


The PC I use the most has an Intel(R) Core(TM) i7-4790 3.60GHz CPU with 14 GB RAM and Windows 7. With this PC I almost never experience some of the performance problems, other users often write about here in this forum.

It really disappoints me that I am forced to trash a perfectly well performing computer like this - where is the green environmental approach in that decission from Micro$ofts side, that apparently 70% or more of all PC-users have to buy new computers in order to run Windows 11.

And it is not because I cannot afford a new computer, it is the principle of having to discard something that is working flawlessly.
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Everything that petermad wrote.

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petermad wrote: 2022-11-08, 17:23 UTC
The PC I use the most has an Intel(R) Core(TM) i7-4790 3.60GHz CPU with 14 GB RAM and Windows 7. With this PC I almost never experience some of the performance problems, other users often write about here in this forum.

It really disappoints me that I am forced to trash a perfectly well performing computer like this - where is the green environmental approach in that decission from Micro$ofts side, that apparently 70% or more of all PC-users have to buy new computers in order to run Windows 11.

And it is not because I cannot afford a new computer, it is the principle of having to discard something that is working flawlessly.
My main computer I use is a very old Thinkpad T43 with 2 GB RAM and Windows XP! Works perfectly (it is not connected to the internet, I don't install new software - I use it for programing). As long hardware will work I will keep it (so TC should support XP if possible (or I will stick to the latest XP version) (probably I am not the only one)).

I have one Win 10 computer just to access the internet - because XP and internet don't go along very well because internet browsers are not uptodate. Also 2GB of RAM Is not enough for modern web pages.

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Well, no need to throw away working hardware - wouldn't dream of doing so myself. There are some registry settings that allow installing Win11 on older hardware and/or without TPM. Microsoft even officially named them. Why would they do that? Well, to make sure as few people as possible switch away from Windows, of course. Yes, they said they won't guarantee updates for such systems in the future, but that was mainly to cover their asses for legal reasons. I don't think they will refuse Windows updates on such hardware because they would risk many systems exposed (due to missing security updates), and maybe also risk more people switching to other OSes.

For me, even Win10 isn't going to be installed on any of my computers. I decide what happens on my systems, not someone else and certainly not Microsoft or Windows. Making Windows think what's "best" for the user was a bad idea, and always will be. And putting more advertising into an operating system is an even worse idea. An OS is an OS is an OS. A good OS is one that the user doesn't notice is there. Windows has been moving ever farther away from this ideal.

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It is not so much the OS itself - I have no problem continuing with Windows 7 without MS updates. But now Google for example has advertised that they will stop updating their Chrome browser for use in Windows 7 in 2023. And Edge will not be updated either in 2023 according to MS.

On the other hand - I compared Chromes Application folder between my Win 10 and Win 7 PC's and all program files (including the installer) are the same, so maybe it is just some BS from Google side about stopping support for Win 7.
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petermad wrote: 2022-11-08, 23:05 UTCOn the other hand - I compared Chromes Application folder between my Win 10 and Win 7 PC's and all program files (including the installer) are the same, so maybe it is just some BS from Google side about stopping support for Win 7.
So why be surprised if the deadline for the end of support (07.02.2023) has not yet come?

In any case, we will use MyPal, Pale Moon, Firefox, etc. Perhaps the developers of other browsers on the Chromium engine will support Windows 7 for some time. I, like many, for example, have never used Chrome because of telemetry, etc. Slimjet and SRWare Iron suit me. Let's see how long they can hold out.
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