Problems with SpecialCursorMovement=5/6/12

[ghisler(Author)]

I have re-checked all the allowed combinations, and I still think that it behaves as described in the help when in custom columns view.
In the list of options below, I'm referring to the blue and red text of the description of value 4 at the end of this post.

Values of SpecialCursorMovement:

1. due to red text below, pressing cursor left while scrolled to the left jumps to the top, otherwise the cursor keys scroll the list
2. due to red text below, pressing cursor left while scrolled to the left goes one level up, otherwise the cursor keys scroll the list
3. due to red text below, pressing cursor left while scrolled to the left first jumps to the top, then one level up, otherwise the cursor keys scroll the list
4. not valid, like 0
5. due to blue text below, cursor left jumps to the first file, cursor right to the last, the scrollbar cannot be used with cursor keys
6. due to blue text below, cursor left goes one directory up, cursor right opens directory under cursor. The scrollbar cannot be used with cursor keys
7. due to blue text below, cursor left goes to the first file, then one directory up, cursor right opens directory under cursor. The scrollbar cannot be used with cursor keys
8. not valid, like 0
9. due to red text below, pressing cursor left while scrolled to the left jumps up like PageUp, otherwise the cursor keys scroll the list
10. due to red text below, pressing cursor left while scrolled to the left jumps one directory up, otherwise the cursor keys scroll the list
11. due to red text below, pressing cursor left while scrolled to the left jumps up like PageUp until the top, then one directory up, otherwise the cursor keys scroll the list
12. not valid, like 0
13. due to blue text below, cursor left jumps up like PageUp, cursor right down like PageDown, the scrollbar cannot be used with cursor keys
14. due to blue text below, cursor left goes one directory up, cursor right opens directory under cursor. The scrollbar cannot be used with cursor keys
15. due to blue text below, cursor left jumps up like PageUp up to the top, then goes one directory up, cursor right opens directory under cursor. The scrollbar cannot be used with cursor keys

SpecialCursorMovement=0
New cursor movement mode. Sum of the following:
1: Left key jumps to first file, right key to last
2: Left key goes one directory up, right key opens directory/archive under cursor.
4: Override horizontal scrollbar in custom columns view. If this option isn't set, the cursor will jump only to the first file if the horizontal scrollbar is already at the leftmost position.
8: Jump one page up/down instead of jumping to the first/last file

Moderator message

Moved to will not be changed

[Fla$her]

2ghisler(Author)
You still haven't answered the question:

Can you replace Override with Disable?

Let's go back to the previous answers:

SpecialCursorMovement=1/9 If the slider is in the leftmost position, then pressing left/right doesn't move the cursor, but scroll the list horizontally.
SpecialCursorMovement=2 If the slider is in the leftmost position, then pressing left jumps to the parent directory, but pressing right scrolls the list horizontally.

That's indeed odd, I should remove it. But then other people will complain, so it's hard to decide what to do. Better postpone to a later version.

And now you insert the phrase "otherwise the cursor keys scroll the list", although in fact it is not in the description.
The user is waiting for consistency, but there is no consistency in left/right navigation, because "right" does not do what is expected of him, even on a purely intuitive level. It's annoying.

[ghisler(Author)]

otherwise the cursor keys scroll the list

OK, I will add that to the help.

[Fla$her]

But this is not a solution to the problem of inconsistency in navigation itself.
The absence of a phrase in the description suggests that the user could not guess that scrolling would not be completely replaced by navigation.
If you don't want to change the current behavior, please make a separate flag to match.

[ghisler(Author)]

Sorry, it makes no sense to scroll down only when scrolled to the far end of the row (sideways). No one would realistically use that. But it's convenient to just press cursor left to jump to the start of the list, so I don't want to remove that.

[Fla$her]

when scrolled to the far end

No, no, we are talking only about the initial (left) position of the slider. About the far (right) I didn't write.

[ghisler(Author)]

No, no, we are talking only about the initial (left) position of the slider.

Then where is the problem? Where is it inconsistent after adding this extra description "otherwise the cursor keys scroll the list"? Doesn't this explain all the cases 1..15 I listed above?

[Fla$her]

So I wrote above what is the problem:

But this is not a solution to the problem of inconsistency in navigation itself.
The absence of a phrase in the description suggests that the user could not guess that scrolling would not be completely replaced by navigation.
If you don't want to change the current behavior, please make a separate flag to match.

How can the problem of expected behavior be solved by simply adding to the description? No way.
That is, it will work as described. But there won't be a consistent left/right key navigation behavior when the slider is in the left-most position.

[ghisler(Author)]

You can't have right key navigation in this case, so it will always remain inconsistant between left and right key. But the help explains that.

[Fla$her]

But the help explains that.

So far, users have no explanation for this. I put forward a proposal:

If you don't want to change the current behavior, please make a separate flag to match for consistency.

[ghisler(Author)]

Sorry but I don't see any need to change anything of the current behaviour.