[TC 11.50b2] No confirmation before deleting file when using drag&drop

The behaviour described in the bug report is either by design, or would be far too complex/time-consuming to be changed

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Re: [TC 11.50b2] No confirmation before deleting file when using drag&drop

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ghisler(Author) wrote: 2024-10-27, 09:15 UTC Moved to will not be changed
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Re: [TC 11.50b2] No confirmation before deleting file when using drag&drop

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When deleting to recycle bin, the user has a choice to either delete with or without confirmation. Therefore I respect this choice.

When deleting directly, there is no such option, so the option to not show any confirmation for drag&drop is applied directly.
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Re: [TC 11.50b2] No confirmation before deleting file when using drag&drop

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white wrote: 2024-10-27, 11:36 UTC 2ghisler(Author)
I see you've moved this to "TC behavior that will not be changed". Can you explain the reasoning behind suppressing the Windows confirmation when files are deleted directly, but not when files are moved to the recycle bin?
ghisler(Author) wrote: 2024-10-28, 09:39 UTC When deleting to recycle bin, the user has a choice to either delete with or without confirmation. Therefore I respect this choice.

When deleting directly, there is no such option, so the option to not show any confirmation for drag&drop is applied directly.
I'm confused. When deleting directly, Windows offers the same option to show confirmation. It's literally the same option. (It would be very weird if Windows would offer confirmation before deleting to recycle bin, but not when deleting directly.)
white wrote: 2024-10-27, 11:36 UTC Can you also explain why it is not important to inform people that disabling the confirmation not only applies to copying (as the user interface says), and not only to copying and moving (as the help says), but also to deleting files?
Can you answer this question too please?
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Re: [TC 11.50b2] No confirmation before deleting file when using drag&drop

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When deleting directly, Windows offers the same option to show confirmation.
No, Windows does not allow to turn off the confirmation when deleting directly.
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Re: [TC 11.50b2] No confirmation before deleting file when using drag&drop

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ghisler(Author) wrote: 2024-10-29, 11:24 UTC No, Windows does not allow to turn off the confirmation when deleting directly.
That's not true. Screenshot

Besides that, if Windows wouldn't allow disabling the confirmation, that would make it even less logical for you to bypass it.
And why would you only allow permanent deletion without confirmation when using the mouse and not when using the keyboard?
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Re: [TC 11.50b2] No confirmation before deleting file when using drag&drop

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I meant the case where the recycle bin for a specific drive is enabled, but the confirmation is disabled. In this case, the Delete key deletes the file directly to recycle bin in Explorer, but Shift+Delete still causes a confirmation.

It would probably be best to have a separate option "Drag&Drop to F8 Delete button"...
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Re: [TC 11.50b2] No confirmation before deleting file when using drag&drop

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ghisler(Author) wrote: 2024-10-30, 07:51 UTC It would probably be best to have a separate option "Drag&Drop to F8 Delete button"...
That would indeed make it optional, as I've mentioned twice before as a viable solution.
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Re: [TC 11.50b2] No confirmation before deleting file when using drag&drop

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30.10.24 Added: Configuration - Options - Misc.: Split new option "Drag&Drop to button 'F8 Delete'" from option "Drag&Drop" above it (32/64)
Tested OK using TC 11.50b4 32-bit and 64-bit.

But can you change the label of the option:
Drag&Drop to the button 'F8 Delete'
to better English:
Drag&Drop onto the 'F8 Delete' button
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Re: [TC 11.50b2] No confirmation before deleting file when using drag&drop

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Well, that's what Google translate suggests, but is it really better?
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Re: [TC 11.50b2] No confirmation before deleting file when using drag&drop

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ghisler(Author) wrote: 2024-10-30, 19:28 UTC Well, that's what Google translate suggests, ..
Not anymore? It doesn't mean much with such short text which isn't a sentence. I tested it and got your line except with "on" instead of "to". Then I added "die Datei" to the line and the suggestion changed to my line. And now even the short line gets translated my way. Even if I try it in Windows Sandbox.
ghisler(Author) wrote: 2024-10-30, 19:28 UTC .., but is it really better?
In my opinion, yes.
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Re: [TC 11.50b2] No confirmation before deleting file when using drag&drop

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Well, we really need a native English speaker here - but even then it probably depends on the speaker whether they use "to" or "onto".
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Re: [TC 11.50b2] No confirmation before deleting file when using drag&drop

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ghisler(Author) wrote: 2024-10-31, 08:08 UTC Well, we really need a native English speaker here - but even then it probably depends on the speaker whether they use "to" or "onto".
The current text is quite clunky. Especially the placement of the word "button" causes unnatural flow. You would use the word "to" with the word "drag" and you would use the word "on" or "onto" with the word "drop" or "drag & drop".
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