[REQ] Drag&Drop copies by default

[XPEHOPE3KA]

If I drag&drop files to some folder, they are copied by default. Yes, I know two methods for moving files with D&D, but newbies don't. However, those people using TC for long are already in habit of the way D&D does its job.
So my suggestion is to make a new ini setting named like "drag&dropcopy", which should be 1 as default. If it is 0 then D&D should move files, but in conjunction with shift, or by leftdown-move-rightdown-movetodestination-leftup mouse gesture, it should copy.
Is it doable (nice word, I like it ), Mr. Ghisler?

[karlchen]

I strongly object to the idea that TC should imitate the foolish inconsistent behaviour of MS Explorer which is:

+ drag & drop moves if source and target are on the same drive.
+ drag & drop copies if source and target are on different drives.
+ ctrl plus drag & drop always copies source to target
+ shift plus drag & drop always moves source to target
(if source and target are on different drives, actually source is copied
to target first and then deleted in the source location)
The first 2 variants are totally foolish, while the latter two are consistent.

So my request definitely is:
Please do not introduce foolish inconsistencies just because they are Explorer compliant.

Karl

[majkinetor !]

2X*
Oh... care for newbies must come by default with your Light Jedy role.

[XPEHOPE3KA]

2karlchen
And my request for you is to read the post, not to look through it.
I didn't even mention explorer - there is no word "explorer" there. See it?
I only wanted to have an option, which wouldn't change anything to you as you will never use it.
BTW, not only newbies may need this feature. E.g. if one doesn't like doubling information on a partition, he will never need to copy files from a folder to its subfolder. If he needs copying to another drive/partition, he usually opens target on the opposite panel. And then what?? Use D&D?? Why if you can always use F5? However, if one needs to copy files across drives using drag&drop to a disk icon (rare situation, I guess, because it always copies to root), then he should press shift.
But moving files from folder to its subfolder is quite common, but it requires pressing shift all the time.

Remember, I'm asking about an *option*.

2majkinetor !
If noone would care for newbies, I guess Mr. Ghisler should search for work soon or make TC7.0 not a free update.

[Lefteous]

2XPEHOPE3KA

But moving files from folder to its subfolder is quite common, but it requires pressing shift all the time.

Not really - try holding down the right mouse button while you are dragging and see how the cursor changes...

[XPEHOPE3KA]

You both look through my first post, second part, carefully, as karlchen should have done!
2Hacker
Still waiting for your translation, if you are not busy.

[karlchen]

Good evening, XPEHOPE3KA.

I read the thread title [REQ] Drag&Drop copies by default and my first thought was: why does he request it? It's TC's default behaviour.

And then I read your request an option to make the default action for drag'n'drop move. I know option, I read it.

No, please , do not do it! Really, no.
Copying means duplicating information. So if you detect, you did it, but do not need the copy, you can simply delete the copy, no harm done.

But if you move something, then in the end the source will be gone. If you find out moving was a bad idea, then it may be difficult to restore the original situation, in particular for newbies who click faster than they can think.
(Don't remember where all the files were located before they were moved by accident, don't know much about drives and folders anyway. )

This is why I oppose, to protect the newbies from their own ignorance.

Moreover, I absolutely fail to see what might be the benefit of creating an ambiguity where so far there is none in TC.
(So far, I can be absolutely sure what TC will do if I drag'n'drop, but after implementing your enhancement, I can no longer be sure.)

And actually, if anybody simply agreed, this would be boring, would it not?

Karl

[SQUIRE]

I think karlchen's observation is perfectly correct. Your suggestion would be adding complication where there was none before.

I use D&D or F5/F6 function keys interchangeably between folders and subfolders and between drives all the time.

D&D and you copy, press <shift> as well and you move. What could be more explicit for newbies? You have not complained that your shift finger is paralysed so I assume there's nothing wrong with it.

Are you sure your concern is for the benefit of newbies or is it for XPEHOPE3KA?

[roentgen]

how often does one copy files within a subfolder in the same panel? I never do and rarely can imagine situations that this would be necessary...
It is not a problem how to do it. Most of TC users know about shift+drag, left click+right click etc. It is just the fact that more often I will move files within the same panel, not make a copy of them.
Everybody worries about newbies and accidents and safety . Most newbies I know use explorer (and use it badly )
The only logical way to solve this is some line in wincmd.ini that decides if you want copy or move, and make shift+drag the opposite

[zhv]

Don't forget there are still Ctrl+X/C/V,
sometimes they are a little more convinient, I think.

[majkinetor !]

2X*

Why don't you switch mouse buttons ?
You will need some time to adopt new habits here and there but I created algorithm for this so as long as you follow it you are safe from errors and you can use your favorite mouse button in TC:

First, go to Control Pannel->Mouse and click "Switch the primary and secondary button"
Then:
1. If you want to click something, click the oposite button
2. If you work in TC and want to move files click the desired button, else click the oposite button.

It is easy, try it.

[XPEHOPE3KA]

Good afternoon, karlchen!

I read the thread title [REQ] Drag&Drop copies by default

Yeah, that was too late to post a message, that I couldn't think out more appropriate title

About newbies: I didn't mean they are too stupid . If one works in explorer, he might be clever, might not know about TC. BTW, see this post, and don't care for newbies your way anymore.

So if you detect, you did it

I never wanted to do it, so I shall never detect that. I always move and never copy using D&D.

Moreover, I absolutely fail to see what might be the benefit of creating an ambiguity where so far there is none in TC.
(So far, I can be absolutely sure what TC will do if I drag'n'drop, but after implementing your enhancement, I can no longer be sure.

No ambiguity there! You are configuring your wincmd.ini, so you know what D&D will do. Though, I think this option should not be accessible via options dialog - for a *little* care. The only situation where you cannot be sure is when you are using some TC pack, because its author can change default setting as he like. But TC pack author can also write some harmful code to his installation file , so you cannot be sure for anything in this situation.

And actually, if anybody simply agreed, this would be boring, would it not?

and 2SQUIRE

Are you sure your concern is for the benefit of newbies or is it for XPEHOPE3KA?

I guess most TC newbies follow forum rules and lurk here to know the forum before posting. Also this feature was discussed among friends (and was several times asked at russian forum) - but they all do not know english so well to write here even "I support this feature request", not speaking about WHY are they supporting - veeery hard . Or they may have no time, or they simply don't want to register here to post ONE message, just because they can always get help at russian forums in russian language.
And yes, that will be very helpful for me as I shall keep my shift finger from paralyzing. And see this

if one doesn't like doubling information on a partition, he will never need to copy files from a folder to its subfolder.

2roentgen666
Finally!!! One agreed!

2m*

You will need some time to adopt new habits

I don't want to change my habits.

Why don't you switch mouse buttons ?

Maybe because I use some other programs, not only TC? Why to change something needed for TC only while it could be archieved via adding one option?

2all
Remember, newbies are not too stupid, and if one is and deleted some system file accidently, he would remember that disaster he brought to his own place with his own hands and will never do it again. To use an option or not to use it is a choice of each and every user. One can easily understand what is appropriate for him and what isn't.

Finally, let's see what Mr. Ghisler says.

[majkinetor !]

Can I do it first ?

Thank you.

2 X.{9,9}

Quote:
You will need some time to adopt new habits

I don't want to change my habits.

Quote:
Why don't you switch mouse buttons ?

Maybe because I use some other programs, not only TC? Why to change something needed for TC only while it could be archieved via adding one option?

It was a joke (this time).

And yes, that will be very helpful for me as I shall keep my shift finger from paralyzing.

What about pressing both mouse buttons at the same time and do you job ? Don't say you have only 1 finger on the right hand ?

Don't understand me wrong... I support hidden options in every quantity but TC is not about me, nor about you, nor about us, who ever we are, but about Ghisler


OK, now Ghisler can take the stage.

[XPEHOPE3KA]

What about pressing both mouse buttons at the same time and do you job ?

I know about that - seeee myyyy firssssst posssssst. Do I need to say this thrice a thread?
But:
it is not so famous among newbies;
it is not as obvious for newbies to discover it themselves, so they ask it several times a week at russian forums;
it is hard to do all the time at first - needs practice and finger synchronization as you need to switch between two fingers pressing buttons;
it is not as fast as simple D&D.

So why are you so afraid of a new option?

[majkinetor !]

Q:

So why are you so afraid of a new option?

A:

Don't understand me wrong... I support hidden options in every quantity but TC is not about me

So, the bigest argument here are newbies....

I see.

So, why don't you @ Russian forum create some sticky thread for those little cute newbies, with all cool things on one place (I think we need one here also) with lines like this:


TC advanced use for everybody, but especialy newbies:

File Operations:
- SHIFT mouse1 D&D = remove
- mouse1 + mouse2 D&D = remove
- CTRL + ALT + <letter> = jump to file starting with <letter>
- CTRL + ALT + mouse1 D&D = drop shortcut
- Type: <driveletter>: = change panel to that drive
- CTRL + B = branch view

MRT:
- rename and move files to different partitions: bla bla
- renaming while counting: bla bla
- ...

Panel:
- Close tab: middle mouse
- Close all tabs: AHK
- Kill all humans: bla bla bla