I need your help for tabbed browsing!

[Black Dog]

[face=courier]On 18-06-2003 13:49:36 +0000 djk wrote:

d> Ctrl+W - I've met it in several programs

Yeah, like M$ Word, M$IE... Extremely rarely used shortcut %).[/face]

[Black Dog]

[face=courier]On 18-06-2003 17:10:43 +0000 ghisler(Author) wrote:

g> Ctrl+W to close a Tab is a good idea, especially because
g> it's unused

Completely agree with you, especially because this is standard combination (don't know, M$ or CUA).

g> Ctrl+Tab seems logical to switching tabs

...like in good old DN. And "Ctrl"+"Shift"+"Tab" for reverse. Nice :).

g> Ctrl+T seems to be the best solution to open a new tab,
g> although many people will dislike the changed hotkey
g> for the multi-rename tool.

If you can't use "Ctrl"+"N" to do EVERYTHING Mozilla way, what is the difference, actually? %) It wold be much more convenient to use "Ctrl"+"1" for example.

g> Ctrl+Cursor up works fine so far to open a dir in a new
g> tab.

Well, now it works like "Ctrl"+"ArDn" first press, so it is "expendable" IMHO :).

g> There will be one tabset for the left panel and one for the
g> target panel. Use Ctrl+D with "save target" to change
g> left+right dir simulataneously.

Strange - one for the left panel and one for the target... So it wouldn't be any tabs for the right and source ones? %)
If you suppose, that one can use "Ctrl"+"D" instead of double paneled tubs, why he can't use it instead of ANY kind of tubs? Actually, all multipaneled FM I worked with use exactly this, double paneled scheme.
Christian, is it possible in any way to give user a choice what scheme work with?[/face]

[bytalized]

tab and ctrl-d together would allow for faster navigation I reckon.

ctrl-t, ctrl-d, open up your frequent directories this way. Then ctrl-tab to navigate about, that's only one combo then instead of ctrl-d + navigating and all left handed. whereas ctrl-d you'd need the right hand again for the cursor keys.

but talking about the ctrl-d behavior, and someone mentioning ctrl-1... any possibility of seeing the ctrl-d management add ctrl-` through ctrl-4 mapping for favorite directories inside that list? same reason - speed

edit: see screenshots linked here and here (quick photoshop kitbash)

An, I'm just wondering, will any open tabs be saved on exit as are the current folders now? I hope so myself.

Cheers,
Jeroen.

[mhe]

Slightly irrelevant to assigning the best shortcuts but since you mentioned Opera why not implement tab management with mouse movements like Opera does. It is extremely practical and fast. For example, pressing the right mouse button and dragging the mouse down and right can be assigned to opening a new tab. There is a huge user base that uses Opera just for this cleaver management of tabs with mouse gestures.

I don’t currently have Opera installed on my machine but if someone does, can you please post here the list with the mouse gestures that can be found in the Help section for the aid of Christian?

You should take a look at http://www.tcbmi.com/strokeit/
Its a mouse gestures app, not only for webbrowsing, you can use different mouse gestures to control any app you want. Best piece of freeware i ever found.
Most impressive coding aswell, its only 120KB yet very powerful. No bloat whatsoever.

[jb]

What about Ctrl+Shift+Left/Right, similar to Ctrl+Left/Right for opening an object in another panel?

CTRL-Shift-right(or left) to create a tab in the destination(target)-window (when the cusor is over an directory with this path opened, else with the same path as current)

I agree with the basic idea of Lion and CADweazle, but I think it should be refined. Currently I use Ctrl+Left/Right (cm_TransferLeft and cm_TransferRight) quite often, but actually I'm not completely satisfied with it. I think it would be more convenient to have a cm_TransferOpposite command. Equally there should be a cm_NewTabOpposite command along with a cm_NewTab command (mapped to Ctrl+T as already more or less decided by Christian).

I suggest the following shortcuts for the new commands:
Shift+Enter and MiddleMouseButton for cm_TransferOpposite.
(Enter opens the focused directory in the current tab.)
Shift+Ctrl+T (= Ctrl+Shift+T) and Shift+MiddleMouseButton for cm_NewTabOpposite.
(Ctrl+T opens the current (or focused?) directory in a new tab on the current side.)

Just for the sake of completeness I would like to note that cm_TransferOpposite and cm_NewTabOpposite should also work on shortcut files (.lnk files) as cm_TransferLeft and cm_TransferRight already do.

[CoMiKe]

I can only expect Tabs to be also closed using middle mouse button, like MyIE2 (and Mozilla), and tabs rotating when you use you mouse wheel over them.

For opening tabs, I would like Ctrl+N if it's not already used. Well, I suppose it will be a new tab in options dialog to configure tab settings.

Let's say this ones are only suggestions

[Geoffrey]

I don?t currently have Opera installed on my machine but if someone does, can you please post here the list with the mouse gestures that can be found in the Help section for the aid of Christian?

Here it is:http://www.opera.com/features/mouse/

Regards,
Geoffrey

[wanderer]

Strange - one for the left panel and one for the target... So it wouldn't be any tabs for the right and source ones? %)
If you suppose, that one can use "Ctrl"+"D" instead of double paneled tubs, why he can't use it instead of ANY kind of tubs? Actually, all multipaneled FM I worked with use exactly this, double paneled scheme.
Christian, is it possible in any way to give user a choice what scheme work with?

Yes, sometimes having both pannels in one tab is indeed better, but (depending on the occasion) both ways have their pros and cons.

Christian, would it be possible to have both ways? Tabs in each window (left-right) and also having each new TC window as an MDIChild under an MDIForm with tabs? It would be nice if the user could activate both tab features on demand from the options dialog. That way the user will be able to use both tabbing options simultaneously if he wishes.

Perhaps we could have the following two new options in TC's Files or Commands menu: "open new TC instance" which will act as if TC was executed again and opened in a standalone window and "open new tabbed TC instance" which will open a new TC instance under a tabbed MDIForm. If only one TC instance is open under the MDIForm, the tabs of the MDIForm will not appear, otherwise they will become visible.

BTW, how about a way to save all source and destination tabs for future use (not necessarily in wincmd.ini, perhaps in a separate file which could be passed as parameter in startup)? What will be the text on the tabs? Tab1, the folder's path, user definable?

Hot issue, isn't it? Thanx for the great news Christian.

[Jonas]

I think a tablist for both windows together isn't nessesary; you can use multiple TC-instances. Personaly I wouldn't need a MDIForm to handle my instances, but internal commands cm_NewInstance, cm_NextInstance and cm_PrevInstance would be very nice! Possible mapped to AltGr(=Alt+Ctrl)-N, AltGr-Tab and AltGr-Shift-Tab. Sure, I could use the the windows standard Alt-Tab, but if there are cm_comands for that I haven't the whole lot of other programms running between my instances and it would be possible to create a little list with the instances (like with Ctrl-Tab in Opera, what I'd like to see for the tabs in TC too) where you could see the path of both TC-windows.

[george_w_bush]

WOW! Tabs!

[JohnFredC]

I still don't understand why people use Mozilla (except its free?). I tried it for a couple of days, then deleted it. Not enough features for me. I use NetCaptor.

That said, NetCaptor uses CTRL-W to close a tab.

For a "New Tab" shortcut... I use a cool program (InfoStore) that has a "dataentry mode". To get a new record, I just press INS once. Took a while to get used to it, but now I love it. So simple!

So, my vote for a new tab in TC would be INS.

For what it's worth and without further explanation, here would be my choice for default keystrokes:

New Tab: INS
Switch to Next Tab: CTRL-Tab (within same tab group)
Switch to Previous Tab: Shift-CTRL-Tab (within same tab group)
Delete Current Tab: CTRL-DEL
Close Current Tab: CTRL-W

If there is more than one Tab Group (ie., one under each pane ????) then I would suggest:

Switch Tab Groups: Shift-Tab

Naturally I would want right-click menus on each tab for all of these functions plus rename, tab color, etc.

Just my 1.5 cents worth.

[Black Dog]

[face=courier]On 19-06-2003 15:15:43 +0000 JohnFredC wrote:

J> I still don't understand why people use Mozilla (except its
J> free?).

That's ease - testes differ.

J> That said, NetCaptor uses CTRL-W to close a tab.

What a surprise...

J> So, my vote for a new tab in TC would be INS.

O tempora! O mores! %\

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J> Delete Current Tab: CTRL-DEL
J> Close Current Tab: CTRL-W

Sorry, can't get what is the difference between them?[/face]

[JohnFredC]

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Never thought about that. I'm a mouse man and use SPACE only rarely, never use INS. After experimentation with TC, I see the value in the current mapping of INS. I bet almost everyone uses it. Oh well. That's probably a Norton hold-over, eh?

Just shows you how difficult this key thing is. We're all different.

can't get what is the difference between them?

CLOSE would remove the tab from the current tab group, but the tab would reappear after I restart TC.

DELETE would permanently delete the tab.

[Black Dog]

[face=courier]On 19-06-2003 16:16:52 +0000 JohnFredC wrote:

J> After experimentation with TC, I see the value in the current
J> mapping of INS.

Well, better late than never %).

J> I bet almost everyone uses it.

It's enough for me I use it.

J> Oh well. That's probably a Norton hold-over, eh?

Like all OFM conception and main KBD combinations particularly.

J> We're all different.

Yeah, somone read manuals, someone not.

J> CLOSE would remove the tab from the current tab group, but the
J> tab would reappear after I restart TC.

J> DELETE would permanently delete the tab.

I do hope Commander would save last user configuration even with tabs, so it wouldn't be any need to split this function. Overkill, IMHO.[/face]

[JP]

I still don't understand why people use Mozilla (except its free?). I tried it for a couple of days, then deleted it. Not enough features for me.

It depends on the point of view. I've been using FireBird for some weeks now, it's still in beta stage (0.6), but is already, IMHO, a great browser: you've a got tabs, search bar with hundreds of serch sites, skins (themes), lot of plugins that increase enormously the browser functionality, really configurable and, well, it's not M$ stuff. Sorry for the latest comment, but yesterday I tried to download a good tool (PE Builder) to make a mini-version of XP usable on a CD and the autho says the M$ asked him to remove this tool from his site... Take a look here: http://www.nu2.nu/pebuilder/