Breadcrumbs, Scripts, etc.

[Stance]

Maybe I didn't write this clear enough.

True:

I ment showing _another_ part of the path not the whole path at once. For the whole path more space is required. A solution is required _without_ using more space.

Lefteous, with my largest respect, here's my translation into german what you have just said:

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Ich meinte die Darstellung eines anderes Teil des Pfades, nicht den vollständigen Pfad. 
Für den vollständigen Pfad wird mehr Raum benötigt. 
Es wird nach einer Lösung gesucht ohne mehr Raum zu verwenden.

I think for this field a way to horizontally scroll the path would be the best solution.

Yes, it is the standard behavior of explorers breadcrumb navigation bar in Vista to shorten the dropdown menu by scrolling it.

[sas2000]

 

I think for this field a way to horizontally scroll the path would be the best solution.

Good idea.
 

[JohnFredC]

The separate "buttons" and dropdowns per path take a lot of screen space

The little triangles in the breadcrumbs are just a visual design conceit copied directly from Apple and aren't necessary to implement the functionality.

For instance, one design to support breadcrumb behavior would leave the TC pathbar's appearance unchanged, but enable a "click and hold" on any path element to drop-down a list of it's peer folders, any of which could then be a drop target.

Another idea, this time addressing ("too") long paths in the path bar, would be to generate a dynamically moving ellipsis (\...\) symbol that would shift based on which path element was under the mouse cursor.

[Lefteous]

2JohnFredC

Another idea, this time addressing ("too") long paths in the path bar, would be to generate a dynamically moving ellipsis (\...\) symbol that would shift based on which path element was under the mouse cursor.

I thought about that too. I'm not sure which one is better.

2Stance
I think we shouldn't discuss this here in this forum. German translations are quite confusing for non German users.

[Stance]

The separate "buttons" and dropdowns per path take a lot of screen space, so it really makes sense only if there is enough screen space.

How can that be ?
When I start the history list, half of my screen is covered with full paths!
Nobody has claimed that for an error until now.
A dropdown menu shows only the names of all subfolders as a list!
Better for smaller monitors.

[ghisler(Author)]

When I start the history list, half of my screen is covered with full paths!

I'm NOT talking about the space used by the dropdown list, but by the bar itself! After going down a few levels, it cannot show the entire path any more, so a lot of scrolling will be needed to reach the invisible path elements. In this case, you would be faster using the [..] and [subdir] elements in the main window to reach the desired target directory...

[Stance]

The little triangles in the breadcrumbs are just a visual design conceit copied directly from Apple and aren't necessary to implement the functionality.

That's right! It is not necessary to show indicators (the little triangles, turning by 90 degrees) for an "navigating element".

After going down a few levels, it cannot show the entire path any more, so a lot of scrolling will be needed to reach the invisible path elements. In this case, you would be faster using the [..] and [subdir] elements in the main window to reach the desired target directory...

Breadcrumb navigation is not about "fastest navigation" nor [..] and [subdir] elements.
Its nature is to show one branch of the directorytree as a popdown menu.
You could add [..] in here, too
For to open the item in TCs filewindow, just open the directory from this menu.
The path is reflected in "Current directory" like always.

When the left or right mouse button is used for drag&drop, the items should become a target.
(Highlighting, standard is copy or show contextmenu: Copy/Paste/Move/Create Link/Cancel).

Happy 1st of May!

[Stance]

Lefteous,
my mistake, i confounded above scrollbar for dropdown menus and your suggestion to horizontally scroll the path.
Thanks for your patience.

- When you click on the path part you go there.
- When you click on the blank part, go to edit mode. If path is very long, so fills enitre panel, leave small width of the panel free (like 5mm after [*] button) to be able to click it.[/color]

It is not rocket science.
Sorry for this crossposting.

[Xyzzy]

Well.. I understood that too. I quick navigate faster with keys than using mouse.. with or without breadcrumbs.... I can also point out that I like a clean table...

So now think about people who use mouse and can fe. get rid of tree panel in favor of Breadcrumbs path (that's about clean table).
Also as far as I know DO possiblities of navigation with keys are no worse than TC's.

X.

[ThurahT]

Yeah well, as I already said..(hate quoting myself) I guess there could be a point of this breadcrumbs no(n)sense if you use the mouse alot..

[fenix_productions]

It would be no no(n)sense to use it without mouse. If the user could set a focus on panel's path via keyboard it would be used with keyboard.

Usecase 1.
I am in d:\plugins\tc\lister\media\*.* and I want to quick go to d:\plugins\miranda\*.*. What should I do now?

Sol.1.
Hit Enter/PgUp few times to be above "tc" folder and then go to "miranda" dir.
Sol.2.
Use mouse to click on panel's path (on d:\plugins\ label).

I think that the best solution would be to focus on panel's path and nawigate on it via left/right/up/down arrows and an enter key.

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The other thing taken from breadcrumbs is easy copying/moving to path directories. For now you cannot drop the file on it. But making it possible could save some people an effort.

I understand that TC is keyboard friendly. But Windows system is not completely designed for it. Many applications require mouse usage. So making few mouse-features could be a good way.

I know from my experience that some users can use computers with one hand on keyboard (shortcuts) and one on mouse (gestures) during some specified tasks (e.g. net browsing). Switching to TC require from them "release one hand from mouse" or "accept less features". It can be avoided.

[Lefteous]

2Stance

i confounded above scrollbar for dropdown menus and your suggestion to horizontally scroll the path.

Yes I wrote about horizontally scrolling the path.

Thanks for your patience.

Nevermind

[JohnFredC]

Another file commmander (FreeCommander) has implemented "breadcrumbs" in the new version 2007.5. The user right-clicks on a folder component in the path bar and a menu of its sub-folders drops down.

No drag-and-drop to the path bar or it's breadcrumbs yet, but the right-click method works great for me and IMHO would be fine in TC!

[Lefteous]

http://blog.speedproject.de/2007/05/14/navigation-mit-brotkrumen/

[Alextp]

Lefteous, that SpeedProject guys are really cool.

I like their implementation of BreadcrumbBar. It's even better than in UltraExplorer.