[OT] Quarrels

[Stitscher]

Natzies killed some, and Anytchrist will come and kill all.

That's different for me.
The N_a_z_i_s killed millions and the Anitichrist will maby. Ones is reality, the other not.

So,

Whenever you find yourself on the side of the majority, it is time to pause and reflect

... seems like a right thing to do...

Right. A good motto for all of us.

Stitscher

[Stitscher]

Well, somehow, I got oposite impression....

Somehow =

Please Mods or Ghisler. Delete this "avatar". It's definitely an inhuman symbol.
And if Sosna is committed to this symbol delete him also.

Well, I like your new ava, majki. Even if a little weird for a pope.

[Alextp]

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[Sheepdog]

Uhh I nearly missed a very interesting discussion here today.

But after it is settled that sosnas avatar was bad I will give another question to consider:

We should abolish to celebrate the first of may, shouldn't we? Because it has been declared as Holiday in Germany by Adolf Hitler in April 1933.

I think there is a difference between showing a symbol and being racist.

I appreciate that sosna removed his avatar because it's kind to not provoke other people. But I can't understand why some people here so concerned about this symbol. And, if this is of any interest, political I'm rather on the outer left.

sheepdog

[Alextp]

2Sheepdog

We should abolish to celebrate the first of may, shouldn't we? Because it has been declared as Holiday in Germany by Adolf -itler in

Nope. We shouldn't. We here at Russia are celebrating 1st May as the day of labour. You know it isn't connected with H., - you must know that Russia/Ukraine/Belarus were suffering because of H. the most in all the world.

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2-wit 2-woo Mr. Owl Clo!

Thanks, nice link. So Sosna's 777 symbol was associated with an SS division, the Apartheid regime, and the KKK - all with very odious reputations. On the face of it, deliberately choosing such an avatar would be an act of provocation but I would be inclined to give Sosna the benefit of the doubt when he says he picked it for aesthetic reasons rather than for the values it is associated with. Certainly calling for him to be banned is wildly out of proportion. Even the German government which is notoriously sensitive about such things says Die Triskele ist nicht strafbar.

Still, the power of symbols never fails to astound me. At this very moment British Airways is under fierce attack from all sides (newspapers, members of parliament, Tom, Dick, Harry) for the incredibly stupid decision to ban one of their check-in staff from wearing a tiny Christian cross the size of your fingernail - while at the same time allowing Muslim staff to don a veil and Sikh staff to wear their turbans. A better way to get really bad PR would be hard to design. That's what you deservedly get for trying to be politically correct.

Personally the triskele doesn't bother me as I prefer to judge people by their deeds rather than their avatars. However, neither I nor my family has ever suffered at the hands of those organisations mentioned. I can well believe others less fortunate will see the issue completely differently. Unfortunately, it's not possible to divorce a symbol, flag or banner from its past connections however much we strive to do so.

Curious interpretation.

Not at all. It's how a true liberal would see the situation. Recall that saying: 'I disapprove of what you say, but I will defend to the death your right to say it'. To be honest, I think roentgen666's, icfu's chicken as well as majki's very first avatar are pretty horrible - but I wouldn't dream for a moment of denying either of them their right of choice.

Incidentally the word 'Na_zi' is used quite freely in the UK, mostly when referring to parking wardens!

[Alextp]

but I will defend to the death your right to say it'. To be honest, I think roentgen666's, icfu's chicken as well as majki's very first avatar are pretty horrible - but I wouldn't dream for a moment of denying either of them their right of choice

It's in Mods' competension: allow some avatars or not. You should go to politics with desire "to defend something"

BTW majkinetor's first avatar was 3D modelled cow, AFAIR. What's horrible with that.

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BTW majkinetor's first avatar was 3D modelled cow, AFAIR. What's horrible with that.

Hit the rewind button Alex, to when majki first joined the forum!

You should go to politics with desire "to defend something"

It's not politics or warfare - it's philosophy.

[Clo]

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[Sheepdog]

2Sheepdog

We should abolish to celebrate the first of may, shouldn't we? Because it has been declared as Holiday in Germany by Adolf -itler in

Nope. We shouldn't. We here at Russia are celebrating 1st May as the day of labour.

And so did H. (It was part of his politics to convince the mass of labourer who had no job at this time.)

That is what I mean to take in account:

Should every single Symbol, every single act, every single word, every single song be banned for all the time because it has been misused by really bad people? And should everyon who does not follow this advice be banned, too?

I don't think so.

This reminds me to another concept also used by H: "Sippenhaftung" what meant that the family of someone was punished for the acts he/she did although the weren't involved.

I've been grown up in a land where nobody was allowed to sing old folk songs because they have been sung by Hs armee. And if someone in my school class would have been named Adolph by his parents he would have had troubles all the years he had lived in east germany unless he had changed his name.

sheepdog

[Sosna]

2majkinetor !
2Sheepdog

thanks a lot, people, it's terrible, that if somebody took a neutral symbol, do something bad, then everybody will link it and one couldn't use this symbol no more (or a song or name). Once in my childhood I made a paper planer, and draw a sw_ast!ka on it, (I was about 8 years), and many people started to cry that I am a fascist, how dare I to do such things, etc.

Michael Crichton wrote nice book Disclosure (there is a movie after it, with Demy Moor), there a woman boss made a harrasment to her employee (man), when he refuses, she start crying that he is who made harrasment, and it was very hard to proove his innocence, because of his gender. So in this case, there is more rights for one, and less for another! As I said before: I can take David's Star, but can't take triskelion, I can say that women are better than men, and can't vice versa, can put J.W.Bush at avatar (even if his troops killed a lot of people in Irak, etc), and can't take Mussolini (even if I respect only a part of his thoughts)!

You want tolerance and politically correctness for 'people with limited abilities, jews, africans' from me, to set my avatar so it won't be offensive for somebody, but you ara yourselves untolerant to MY thoughts, so I have to follow majority demands! (Sheepdog, I don't like color of hood in you avatar, but I don't demand to change it! )

Tell me, people, are you SERIOUSLY injured, hurt and offended with my avatar? Did it make you seek, so you feel yourself uncomfortable looking at it? Or it was only on principle for you, to remove EVERY symbol you don't like, even it wasn't banned, as Inquisition wanted to purify all heretics?

[icfu]

You want tolerance and politically correctness for 'people with limited abilities, jews, africans' from me

Just out of curiosity: Are you a jew, an African or just a dumbfuck?

Icfu

[Sosna]

Mr. Ghisler or moderators, please, look at this, I behave myself calm and quiet, I didn't call anybody dumb or etc, and if I should follow rules, and remove my avatar, then why is it tolerated to call me so? When arguments are out, aggression comes in, isn't it, iCFU?

I am Ukrainian, and who do you think YOU are?

[icfu]

I didn't call anybody dumb or etc

What do you mean when calling jews and Africans "limited in abilities" then?

Icfu

[Sosna]

OOOHHH!!! man, you don't understand me!! Do you see coma there? 'people with limited abilities, jews, africans' it's a list! I mean, that in our politically correct world, I should use 'people with limited abilities' instead of 'disabled person', 'afroamerican' instead of 'negro', and so on.

I don't call them 'people with limited abilities', i put it as example, there is no relation between NEGROS, JEWS, DISABLED, etc.