[OT] Quarrels

majkinetor ! · Post by *majkinetor ! » 2006-11-28, 08:54 UTC

We understand. Icfu don't. As always, he rushes out blindly, exatcly like me. So don't mind him. Probably just didn't drink early cofee (or early beer)

icfu · Post by *icfu » 2006-11-28, 09:03 UTC

I mean, that in our politically correct world, I should use 'people with limited abilities' instead of 'disabled person', 'afroamerican' instead of 'negro', and so on.

If you mean that, you are just contradicting yourself. If it's a list of "politically correct phrases", what is the NOT political word for "jew" then if "jew" is a replacement? And why haven't you said "Afroamerican" instead of "African". It just makes no sense, that "list of political correct phrases".

but you ara yourselves untolerant to MY thoughts

I tolerate your THOUGHTS as long as they are thoughts only. As soon as you write them down, support and even DEFEND them, they are not thoughts anymore but brainless crap.

I am Ukrainian, and who do you think YOU are?

Who knows, maybe I am an angry, disabled African jew?

Icfu

majkinetor ! · Post by *majkinetor ! » 2006-11-28, 09:12 UTC

Yeah... its probably cuz of missing beer

majkinetor ! · Post by *majkinetor ! » 2006-11-28, 09:14 UTC

BTW, your avatar is very disturbing.... I love little chickens. I think animal protection society will be interested to know about this.

I know. We should forbid avatars on this forum.

Proud member of the freakin' fanatical guild!

Explain.

icfu · Post by *icfu » 2006-11-28, 09:20 UTC

The chicken is the Jamba chicken. It has no right to live, this is human protection society law.

Icfu

Sosna · Post by *Sosna » 2006-11-28, 09:22 UTC

2icfu
I am Ukrainian, and my English is not perfect, I wrote african because as for me, afroamerican is not right word, there are negros that lives in france, so are they afrofrancias or smth.? And I said it was an example. Don't pick on my words, I'm not a native english-speaker to compete with you!

I support my opinion, is it unusual for people? or you can write your thoughts to REMOVE MY AVATAR, and it's ok, it's not a brainless crap, and when I try to defend it - it's crap? and do you call everything that you don't like that way? you behave this way only because you have more posts than me?

don't annoy me.

- man, I have another ways to entertain myself than annoing you, I write this before, and you come here and say that you are annoyed? Than leave this thread, don't read it, if you don't like it!

Who knows, maybe I am an angry, disabled African jew?

- well... it's a pity, and I am a calm, healthy and tall mighty blonde man with blue eyes then! Nice to meet you!

Stitscher · Post by *Stitscher » 2006-11-28, 09:35 UTC

Sosna wrote: (Sheepdog, I don't like color of hood in you avatar, but I don't demand to change it! )

Oh!

Sheepdogs ava is not associated with millions of deads, suppression, atrocities. You did know the symbol. You linked to the wiki with W_eerstandsbeweging.
And also some of your statements are a bit fishy, imho.

It's your decision to remove your ava.
It's sheepdogs decision to support it.
And it was my decision to say, that I don't like it. And I don't like people who uses such ava with the knowledge for what this symbol stands for.

Tell me, people, are you SERIOUSLY injured, hurt and offended with my avatar? Did it make you seek, so you feel yourself uncomfortable looking at it?

Yes.

Or it was only on principle for you, to remove EVERY symbol you don't like, even it wasn't banned, as Inquisition wanted to purify all heretics?

No.

icfu · Post by *icfu » 2006-11-28, 09:39 UTC

It's not the avatar which was/is a problem for me, it's the connection with what you have expressed in this thread.

I have no problems with calling negros negros. I give a sh** about political correctness. A Negerkuss is a Negerkuss, not an "Eischnee-Aufschäumung mit Waffel und Schokoüberzug", also I call a Zigeunerschnitzel a Zigeunerschnitzel and not "Sinti und Roma-Schnitzel".

You see, it's not the WORDS you use, it's the context in which you use or abuse them to express yourself.

I am open-minded, not stupid, that's why my tolerance is not endless and it will always end when reading rascist crap, no matter how much postings you have.

Icfu

Sosna · Post by *Sosna » 2006-11-28, 09:56 UTC

Stitscher - that symbol itself stands for nothing, it's only a combination of lines, circle and square! And for some reasons it's associated with some things you don't like! And I posted link to Afrikaneers only to proove that it's not SS symbol!

icfu - I have not expressed anything! I just want to keep my avatar, that's all, read my posts, I told you, there is no difference what are my beliefs, and what are yours, it's not right place to speak about it!

Well than, if you have no problems with political correctness, than let's forget about it.

And HOW CAN YOU SPEAK ABOUT RACISM IN MY POSTS? I didn't post anything like that, except that I mentioned, that my views are right, and that's all. There is difference between fa_scism and na_zism, and there is no RACISM in FA_SCISM, because there is STATE - it's the main value, and not the RACE as in na_zism! so stop call my posts racist, analyse them first!

majkinetor ! · Post by *majkinetor ! » 2006-11-28, 10:16 UTC

Maybe this can explain some things:

Despite the strong resemblance to the Nazi swastika and the historic admiration for Nazism among the far right in South Africa, Terre'Blanche publicly claims to distance the AWB from this interpretation of the emblem. He claims instead that the sevens, 'the number of JAHWEH', 'stand to oppose the number 666, the number of the anti-Christ'. Red is considered to represent Jesus' blood, while black stands for bravery and courage. The inner white circle symbolizes the "eternal struggle".

U see Sosna, the 1 thing I learned so far is that people tend think only about formalisation not the acctual thing witch your work represents. So, if you just remove your natzi avatar, you can imediately start killling around and nobody will have antyhing aganst it. But if you keep the avatar and do nothing, you are doomed.

Hope now U understand.

Stitscher · Post by *Stitscher » 2006-11-28, 10:29 UTC

Sosna wrote:Stitscher - that symbol itself stands for nothing, it's only a combination of lines, circle and square! And for some reasons it's associated with some things you don't like! And I posted link to Afrikaneers only to proove that it's not SS symbol!

To make it clear. I do not like the party "Afrikaneer W_eerstandsbewegin_g" also.

To majki:
I like your ironic statements, even if they don't catch the point.

Stitscher

Sosna · Post by *Sosna » 2006-11-28, 10:39 UTC

2majkinetor !
You are the Man! I understand, I know that Terre'Blanche explains this symbol this way, but people don't understand that I can draw PENIS as a ancient symbol of fertility, and they will cry that it's some kind of harrasment, and my explanations means nothing. FOR THEM it means racism, and any articles, historical analizes and so will not convince them.

People like stitcher and icfu have their own opinion, and they don't like to listen to another people. Welcome to middle ages, ages of witches, beliefs and obscurantist.

stitcher - I see that you don't like it. But there is a difference between BANNED and not banned, between RACISM and fascism, and between using avatars, explaining its' meaning, and using avatar with cutted chicken, covered in blood, which may be offensive to me.

We are not children, so we can be more cynical - it's healthier and better in real world.

Do you understand, that I can find some symbol of lesser known, but more cruel and radical organisation, and you will not understand what does it means?

Stitscher · Post by *Stitscher » 2006-11-28, 10:52 UTC

Sosna wrote:2majkinetor !
You are the Man! I understand, I know that Terre'Blanche explains this symbol this way, but people don't understand that I can draw PENIS as a ancient symbol of fertility, and they will cry that it's some kind of harrasment, and my explanations means nothing. FOR THEM it means racism, and any articles, historical analizes and so will not convince them.

Dump analogy

People like stitcher and icfu have their own opinion, and they don't like to listen to another people. Welcome to middle ages, ages of witches, beliefs and obscurantist.

You are rigt. I have my opinion. And I listen to you also.
But what I have read was not very pleased to me.
That's life.
No reason to turn in polemic.

Stitscher

Sosna · Post by *Sosna » 2006-11-28, 11:09 UTC

Stitscher - I don't want polemic. You don't like this analogy - then don't just critisize, explain your words! I mean by that example, that I used this symbol with one meaning, and you tell me, that somebody else uses it with another, so THAT another meaning is what it means here, and MY words means nothing!

I am trying to listen to you opinion too.
What exactly you don't like in my posts? That I am right-winged person? But you don't asked what are my thoughts exactly, what do I mean, and you just said: I DON'T LIKE IT, IT's ****_SM, and that's all.

Do you understand, that I can find some symbol of lesser known, but more cruel and radical organisation, and you will not understand what does it means?

- you didn't answer this, but I think that you will say nothing, when you don't know what this symbol means. So why is it ok to use unknown, but more cruel symbol, and not OK to use another, with explanation that it's not offensive?

majkinetor ! · Post by *majkinetor ! » 2006-11-28, 11:13 UTC

2 all

Ok, lets make some things clear.

You all seem to me like very nice ppl. I know Stitscher and icfu for long time in this virtual realm. Sheepdog too.

Its really stupid seeing nice ppl fighing about trivial things.

The solution is simple:

- Sosna, on your side, find the symbol of most unknown, most cruel organisation and put it as your avatar. Nobody will know what is it about so ppl will be quiet

- Stitscher, icfu, look at here. Look at me. Empty your head. Forget everything about Sosna and his avatar. Everything.