New freeware plugin available: CD/DVD Burner

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Loc2262 wrote:
norfie wrote:
I'll add a phrase "only allowed to be used with Total Commander and not as a standalone DLL", that's hopefully enough?
I'm afraid that wouldn't be enough.
Why? What else is needed? If you know that it's not enough, maybe you also know why? :)
Like Hacker mentioned there are (willful) misinterpretions of a short sentence/phrase. One problem is the term "freeware" - this is not a definition of the kind of using a software.

I would add an extra file "Licence.txt".

Some ideas:
1nd: restrictions of spreading, that's mean that if anybody wants to distribute this software package he needs your permission.
2st: no file of this software package is allowed to remove and a all files must be included.
3rd: prohibition of reengineering, disassembling, cracking ...
4th: only the program Total Commander (copyright note, trademark by Christian Ghisler?) is allowed to call/use any functions of this package. Using this software package inside/through other software than Total Commander is prohibited.
5th: ...

last but not least: exclusion of guarantee and liability, using of this software package of own risk

Anybody knows a good pattern of such licence agreement? (Christian Ghisler?)

BTW: You know there is another file manager which is using the same plugin interface like Total Commander, don't you? Therefore any other program could implement the Total Commander plugin interface - e.g. a burner program too.
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norfie wrote:I would add an extra file "Licence.txt".
Yepp I will do that. The ideas are good, I'll formulate something like that.
last but not least: exclusion of guarantee and liability, using of this software package of own risk
Already have that in the documentation. :) But will put it more clearly on download page etc. as well.
BTW: You know there is another file manager which is using the same plugin interface like Total Commander, don't you?
The author of that software already contacted me, yeah. I guess I'll add a phrase to the license that usage of the plugin in other applications than TC is allowed only after express permission by me. I hope that should do?

Thanks again for your legal help (to all contributors)! :)
Gruß,
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I guess I'll add a phrase to the license that usage of the plugin in other applications than TC is allowed only after express permission by me. I hope that should do?
You should be carefully which such things - I don't know your agreement with your boss. IMHO you should prefer strict restrictions because it is difficult changing wide permissions after the distribution of software once.

And I have no illusions that such a licence agreement will be protect your software package from illegal using - it is only legal and formal question. Without any restrictions you or your company couldn't take actions against such unintended use of your software package.
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norfie wrote:You should be carefully which such things - I don't know your agreement with your boss.
My boss was already content with the one phrase that's on the download page now. :)
IMHO you should prefer strict restrictions because it is difficult changing wide permissions after the distribution of software once.
What do you mean with this?
And I have no illusions that such a licence agreement will be protect your software package from illegal using
Of course not. But for illegal use of the burn SDK noone needs my plugin. Anyone who wants to use it illegally can use and crack the SDK directly.
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Loc2262 wrote:
IMHO you should prefer strict restrictions because it is difficult changing wide permissions after the distribution of software once.
What do you mean with this?
Better too strict restrictions than too wide permissions. You should be aware of your own interests. One big own interest of you is a good relation between you and your boss. Therefore if he gives you the permission to make this great plugin for Total Commander then you should be carefully to give permissions of using this plugin in other programs - e.g. E.F. Commander too. I'm not against this but maybe your boss? But this is your business. We are realistic: E.F. Commander users would be using your software package without your permission too. It's only a formal/legal question (important for you only).
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norfie wrote:
Loc2262 wrote:Better too strict restrictions than too wide permissions. You should be aware of your own interests. One big own interest of you is a good relation between you and your boss. Therefore if he gives you the permission to make this great plugin for Total Commander then you should be carefully to give permissions of using this plugin in other programs - e.g. E.F. Commander too. I'm not against this but maybe your boss?
Okay, I understand. Thanks for your hints!

I'm quite sure my boss won't have anything against the plugin being used in other file managers too - but of course you're right and I'm going to check with him first before I give permission to anything.
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What do you think about the following license agreement text:

1. Disclaimer

This software is provided "as-is". The developer does not guarantee that it
works as intended (means: it may have bugs anywhere and anytime), and is not to be held responsible for any damage that might occur directly or indirectly through the usage, or lack of usage, of this software.

2. Status

This software is distributed as "freeware" for private use. In private
environments it may be used freely without restriction of features or time. In commercial or other environments it may be used only with express permission of the developer.

3. Scope of usage

This software is a plugin for the file manager Total Commander by Christian Ghisler and may only be used within that file manager. Its functions may not be called from any other application, and it may not be incorporated in any other software package. Use in any other file manager that supports the Total Commander plugin interface is only allowed with express permission of the developer.

4. Redistribution

The developer reserves the sole right to distribute this software. Distribution by third parties is only allowed with express permission of the developer.

5. Package/software integrity

In case of permitted third-party distribution, the software package (i.e. Rar archive) has to be distributed as a whole and unchanged; no files from the package may be altered or left out, and no files may be added. It is forbidden to reverse-engineer, disassemble, alter or otherwise manipulate any part of the software.
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ewww legalese

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Heh. Well this thread came to a screeching halt. :-)

Next suggestion: In addition to "**burn medium" and "**clear project" would it be possible to add an entry that has the total estimated size (and other totals, as well)? For example, if I were burning an audio cd it would say: ** [xx Tracks (total number of tracks)][1:12:24 (total length)] Audio CD [678,922,420(total size of project)]
An example: here.
Actually, it should probably be in MB, not bytes.

I know you can see total size just by clicking burn project and looking at the estimated size, but It'd be nice if you could just see it. Of course, others may disagree--some may not want to clutter the interfact any more.

Btw, ctrl+L does work with files selected, which is nice.
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Sticky wrote:Next suggestion: In addition to "**burn medium" and "**clear project" would it be possible to add an entry that has the total estimated size (and other totals, as well)?
Good idea, will add that. If anybody complains, I can make it an option to display that. :)
Btw, ctrl+L does work with files selected, which is nice.
Yeah, Shift-Alt-Enter too (when you have subdirectories).
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yes a very usefull free plugin :) great work, i see the next upcoming release notes :) amazing!
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Yes, I completely agree with Kosch!

Your first release already was amazing, and with all the anounced improvements for the next, it will be almost complete in two steps. :o
Changes in upcoming version 0.9.2:
[+] New burning project type: ISO/CUE Image Burning
[+] ...
@Frank (Loc2262):
Will the upcoming 0.92 support the complete CUE-syntax including CD-Text?
Will it support "multiple wav files with gaps" (called non-compliant), which are generated by Exact Audio Copy?

If 0.93 will support ISO generation, or even CUE/BIN generation we all will praise you as "Burner King"! :lol:
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Lesmo16 wrote:If 0.93 will support ISO generation, or even CUE/BIN generation we all will praise you as "Burner King"! :lol:
It already supports ISO generation. Click on BURN MEDIUM and choose BURNING DEVICE>WRITE ISO IMAGE.
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Thanks JP - I didn't notice that!
ISO creation works not as comfortable as in Small CD-Writer, but it works.

OK, the new name is already valid after 0.92 :wink:
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Lesmo16 wrote:Will the upcoming 0.92 support the complete CUE-syntax including CD-Text? Will it support "multiple wav files with gaps" (called non-compliant), which are generated by Exact Audio Copy?
I fear you're gonna have to try that out, since I have no means of testing it. :) Don't have appropriate test files available here.
If 0.93 will support ISO generation, or even CUE/BIN generation we all will praise you as "Burner King"! :lol:
ISO generation is possible now already, bin/cue not yet and will take a while till it will be (if at all). So I suggest you praise me as "Burner Prince" or something. ;)

@Lesmo16: Do you have a suggestion how to make ISO creation more comfortable?
Gruß,
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When 0.92 will be released?
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