Suggestion: a "Rainbow" Forum...

[Clo]

  Hello Mr. Ghisler and Dear Forums Users!

• Some problems in TC or features requests are often discussed at the same time on several Forums…

  The border of languages causes inescapably mutiple postings / replies for the same subject, and deprives a large part of monolingual users of many infos and solutions. I bet that isn't difficult to find several examples recently  

   Hence, I thought to a "Rainbow" Forum, where some multilingual users would be allowed to present translated titles, plus a short abstract about an important subject.

• Most certainly, some "bridges" exist sometimes - because of the willingness of someones, thanks to them… - but this may cause full double / triple postings / replies, a bit "illegal" with regard to the Forums Rules.

• Such a Forum could be a little ticklish to start of course, but might become quickly a nice mean of improvement for the TC support. A tentative version could be tested, for instance during one month…

 What do you think?

  Sorry whether a similar subject existed before, but I got none significant result from the Search…

  Best regards, cordiales salutations, mit freundlichen Grüßen,
Claude
Clo

[Aezay]

It would be much easier if everyone just learned English

[Vansumsen]

It would be much easier if everyone just learned English

Why not "danish" ?

2Clo
"Rainbow" ou "Arc-en-ciel" ... Français, Nederlands, Wallon, Braille, et en language signé pour sourds?

Parce que malgré 7 ans d'allemand, 9 ans d'anglais, 12 de néerlandais et un peu plus de français... (scolaire) et le restant de mathématique et d'informatique je me considère comme un multilingue passif ayant peu de difficulté à comprendre ce que disent les autres dans leur langue mais préférant ma langue maternelle pour exprimer quelque chose de précis...
Merci Clo pour ta proposition je la soutiendrai à fond... car je constate autour de moi le nombre croissant de gens qui ont des problèmes avec leur PC à cause du manque de lecture... et si en plus ce n'est pas dans leur langue naturelle...

I'm sorry ... I forgot that this is an English Forum...

[Aezay]

It would be much easier if everyone just learned English

Why not "danish" ?

English is wider spread than Danish are, and it's already used as the standard language on the internet and other areas.
I actually read and write more English than Danish, plus I spell English better too.

[Clo]

2Vansumsen
 Hello Paul!

• Thank you for your support! The important part of your answer in French it's worth to be translated... for instance into Danish?
• I hope that Mr. Petermad'll pass near here soon… ? So, User Aezay'ld know what you told     

¤ Merci de votre soutien!

Friendly regards, amicales salutations,
Claude
Clo

[Clo]

2Aezay

It would be much easier if everyone just learned English

  Hello!

• Maybe it's your dream, but isn't realistic: you can't force anybody to learn English as so well as any other language!
• It's a fact that many TC users don't know English, and don't want for learn it.
• The goal of my suggestion is not to launch a n... th. polemic about English, but to find a real way to improve the efficiency of the Forums.
• Whether you wouldn't wish to help in such a Forum, okay, nobody should force you to do…
• Already, I asked for something in the same way to Ch. Chisler - in the actual structure only - but I didn't get an answer...
 http://www.ghisler.ch/board/viewtopic.php?t=2812

 O! Sorry, it's in French!
   Best regards
Clo

[Ivan Moratinos]

English is wider spread than Danish are, and it's already used as the standard language on the internet and other areas.
I actually read and write more English than Danish, plus I spell English better too.

Why not Esperanto?. I learned it in only two months. Ghi estas la solvo!

[Clo]

2Ivan Moratinos
  Hello!

• Really, I thought to you when writing this topic!
 Unfortunately - though you say it's easy to learn - Esperanto isn't very appreciated by many people, it's a pity, certainly...
• Another universal language had existed a long time ago : "Volapuk"; it had none succes.
¤ However, since TC exists in Esperanto too, the wished Forum should allow you to translate important titles / abstracts, for users who know Esperanto but not English, German or French...

  Kind regards,
Claude
Clo

[Black Dog]

[face=courier]On 24-01-2004 09:57:15 +0000 Aezay wrote:

A> It would be much easier if everyone just learned English

Yep, completely agree with you, Aezay friend.[/face]

[Ivan Moratinos]

? Another universal language had existed a long time ago : "Volapuk"; it had none succes.

Esperanto was created in 1887 and still exists

¤ However, since TC exists in Esperanto too, the wished Forum should allow you to translate important titles / abstracts, for users who know Esperanto but not English, German or French...

And don't forget spanish... it's one of the most widely spoken languages in the world... even more than french or german, but I guess Mr. Ghisler don't speak spanish therefore there is no spanish forum on his site.

[Clo]

2Ivan Moratinos

And don't forget Spanish... it's one of the most widely spoken languages in the world... even more than French or German, but I guess Mr. Ghisler don't speak spanish therefore there is no spanish forum on his site.

Hi again,
• You are quite right; I didn't forget, but:
¤ Some years ago, I had a Spanish-speaking pen-friend who was interested in a Spanish TC Help translation... She known French and English too - teacher-assistant in a famous college...
• Unfortunately, the Author refused because -like you suppose- he doesn't know Spanish... Since I had already prepared a lot of screen-shots in Spanish, I got nothing out of it...
• When I told that to my Peruvian pen-pal, she was very disappointed, then never wrote again...  

¤ But yet, in such a case, the translator could be a relay between the Author and the users in a certain language. I do this for another soft about the French Help: the Author is Dutch, and doesn't know three words in French, but all goes fine!
"...there is no Spanish forum..."
¤ Obviously, this suggestion could compensate a bit for the lack of a Spanish forum.

KR
Claude
Clo

[icfu]

It does more work to translate a whole topic for people not able to understand German, French or English than to let people just ask twice, don't you think so?

I don't see who could have that much time to waste for free to be honest.

There are already some decent translating machines with which one can translate whole web pages at Google, Altavista, etc...
No competition to professional translators but usually it is sufficient to get an impression about a topic.

So maybe a direct link to a page translation in each topic would make more sense.

Icfu

[Clo]

2icfu
   Hello!
• Isn't the issue to translate whole topics, please read again above more carefully.

• The way in which I spend my free time is my business. Since I'm retired,
I've a very large free time, especially for TC actually... Each one may give the time he can.

• The use of "automatic" translation systems provides the most comical texts I never saw in my life, just the best way to die laughing, and I don't wish to die yet...   ...like the most users, I guess.
Gruß
Clo

[icfu]

If you do abstracts only, the need for an additional forum is not there anyway because then it would make more sense to build or rebuild the FAQ. A forum is needed for exchange of ideas, if you drop 90% of them the context of the topic is broken.

Anyway, if you have so much time to waste for free (no money from Ghisler, even not for the translation of TC? *strange*) I support your wish.

The last post is quite readable, you should keep that posting style with fewer emoticons.

Icfu

[Clo]

2icfu

Anyway, if you have so much time to waste for free (no money from Ghisler, even not for the translation of TC? *strange*) I support your wish.

   ¤ Why *strange*? I think that TC (and before WnC) is a program which merits efforts, with regard to its high quality. Isn't wasted time.
¤ No Sir, I don't earn any money with this translation. It's unthinkable for me that translators ask for money in the TC translations.
• Since Mr. Ghisler is a gentleman, he awards some "perquisites", but no money, and it's well like this. This is my state of mind.

• I do the same for other softs, when they are "Freeware" or "Shareware" with a reasonable licence fee. Or else, I do not.

• To tell more should be largely offtopic here. Hence, whether you would know more, please send an email, since you havn't one reachable...

• Thank you to support my wish.

Gruß
Claude
Clo