[TC801rc4] Multi-rename tool: Placeholder [2-5] not working

[white]

[2-5] Characters 2-5 from the whole name and extension (other numbers as in [N] definition)

Works OK in Windows Commander 4.50 - 4.54, masking file name including extension.
Masks file name including full path since Windows Commander 5.0.

Tested using Windows XP.

[umbra]

Is that a bad thing? You can easily work with file name and its extension using [N] and [E]. But how else would you manipulate with a full path to the file? I think it's the help description that needs to be made more clear.

[Sir_SiLvA]

I dont think its a Bug, but a bug fixed in 5.0. Path belongs to the filename.

[white]

Is that a bad thing? You can easily work with file name and its extension using [N] and [E].

To work with folders that sometimes have dots in their name, you need this placeholder. You cannot use [N] and [E] to get a sub string in this case.

But how else would you manipulate with a full path to the file?

[=tc.path]

I dont think its a Bug, but a bug fixed in 5.0. Path belongs to the filename.

There is no mention of this in history.txt and to me this makes no sense for 5.0.

[Sir_SiLvA]

There is no mention of this in history.txt and to me this makes no sense for 5.0.

First point is correct,
but for me it makes sense:
- You want Filename you use [Nx-y] and [E]
- You want complete Filename with Path you use [x-y]

[ghisler(Author)]

Indeed the wording in the help is a bit unclear - but it was changed this way to access the whole name and extension including the full path.

[white]

Indeed the wording in the help is a bit unclear - but it was changed this way to access the whole name and extension including the full path.

I can't believe you gave up basic functionality to handle sub strings of folder names with dots (see discussion here) in order to be able to handle full path which was hardly usable at that time.

Also strange that the new placeholder [P] in that version was mentioned in HISTORY.TXT and in "What's new in this version?", but the important fix to access full path was not mentioned at all.

Anyway, I think the original function is much more basic and would be more beneficial for the average user. I think it's better that people need to use [=tc.path] to get full path, than that people need to use [=tc.fullname] to get full name (which means no path!).

However changing it back after 10 years is questionable too, although nobody seems to be using placeholder [x-y]. Placeholder [=tc.path] on the other hand seems to be used plenty and is advised by Christian Ghisler.

[ghisler(Author)]

I also don't think that changing it now would be a good idea. Therefore I have simply added a new placeholder [A] which stands for all characters of the name (with extension, without path). Please try it!

[Stefan2]

I also don't think that changing it now would be a good idea.
Therefore I have simply added a new placeholder [A]
which stands for all characters of the name (with extension, without path).
Please try it!

[A] for ALL > name (with extension, without path)

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And how about to make it more complete:
[F] for FULL > full name (with extension, with path)

The same as: [1-] as i understand, but more obvious.

EDIT:
... [F] is already taken.
So maybe [W] for Whole > as equivalent to [1-] to get path\base.ext?


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[Sir_SiLvA]

[F] for FULL > full name (with extension, with path)

This is exactly what [x-y] does ... its the FULL filename including path name & extension...

[Stefan2]

[F] for FULL > full name (with extension, with path)

This is exactly what [x-y] does ... its the FULL filename including path name & extension...

I know. But since a few hours only.
Before i have that not found in (understand from) the help:

[2-5] Zeichen 2 bis 5 von Name INKLUSIVE Erweiterung
[2-5] Characters 2-5 from the whole name and extension

From the english help i could guess from the "whole".
But in german help that special part is missed.

{
    What is defined to be the "NAME" aside here,
    since that is not obvious for average users.

    Better would be anyway something like:
    [P] = whole Path (with an syntax to get an desired folder, like having [P] as an array and use as [P(2)] and [P(-1)])
    = Base name / file name part
    [E] = Extension
    [N] = [P]\.[E]

    But therefor it's to late anyway.
}


That's why i suggest to add maybe
[W] for Whole > as equivalent to [1-] to get path\base.ext



And/Or change the wording in the help and include the word "path"

[2-5] Zeichen 2 bis 5 vom kompletten Pfad inklusive Dateiname und -erweiterung
[2-5] Characters 2-5 from the whole path including name and extension

With my suggestion that becomes:

[W2-5]
[W2-5]

[Sir_SiLvA]

Thats why I often say: Using a tool like TC requires the User to have a brain and understanding of what he does.
a Filename contains every part ofc - path, name, extension.

So clearing that up in the help for the DAUs okay but building the same function into tc twice is reidiculous....

[white]

I also don't think that changing it now would be a good idea. Therefore I have simply added a new placeholder [A] which stands for all characters of the name (with extension, without path). Please try it!

Placeholder [A] works OK. Tested using TC 8.01rc5 32-bit.

Help text is adjusted and more clear. I noticed however that unlike all other lines, the following lines do not start with a capital:

[N] old file name, WITHOUT extension
[A] old file name, WITH extension (All characters of the name), without the path

And I suggest to swap the following lines:

[2-5] Characters 2-5 from the name INCLUDING path and extension (other numbers as in [N] definition)
[A] old file name, WITH extension (All characters of the name), without the path

[petermad]

Help wrote:
[N] old file name, WITHOUT extension
[A] old file name, WITH extension (All characters of the name), without the path

I agree that these lines should start with capital letters.

[ghisler(Author)]

Thanks for testing the new placeholder [A]!

I agree about the uppercase, but I prefer to keep all the [N*] placeholders tohether. I will put the [A] in front of the [2-5] line, though.