Total Commander

Hello all, especially ghisler(Author).

Following on from my detailed previous post I would like to make this request/suggestion to address the long standing Windows annoyance as previously described.

Since a MAJOR new version 9 of TC is currently being developed, this would be a perfect time to implement such a simple but important and very useful new feature in TC, I hope we would not have to wait until TC "10" to have this implemented internally in the TC Configuration Options dialog.

It would be a simple "Show seconds" checkbox similar to that of the WinRAR File Manager setting in "File list" but used globally in TC for both file and folder timestamp displays.

This would eliminate the need to use complicated "Custom columns" views to display this simple only extra two digit seconds in times, and IMHO it has long been overdue in the Windows operating system such as a setting for the native Windows Explorer.

Even excuses such as only FAT32 file system times are accurate to only within two seconds of precision are getting old and lame since NTFS has been around for many years also with 64-bit file times with 100 nanosecond precision. I do realise some USB and other drives need to use other FAT32 or exFAT file systems for compatibility reasons but seconds are still stored for files and folders on these file systems albeit of lesser resolution.

I hope this request/suggestion will be seriously considered soon for TC9 final to address this long standing Windows annoyance and make TC one of the few file managers to support this very useful feature.

Peace.

As there have been no replies here yet, I have researched further for myself (and others who may also be interested) and found out the precise reason as to why seconds are omitted.

It is explained well on the superuser.com page described as "Microsoft’s Great Dumbing-Down of Windows".

It all boils down to the TIME_NOSECONDS flag given to the GetTimeFormat or GetTimeFormatEx Windows kernel functions for example GetTimeFormatEx(..., TIME_NOSECONDS, ...);.

Both GetTimeFormat and GetTimeFormatEx have a DWORD dwFlags parameter (the second of six) which may specify none or any of the following values:
TIME_NOMINUTESORSECONDS = 1
TIME_NOSECONDS = 2
TIME_NOTIMEMARKER = 4
TIME_FORCE24HOURFORMAT = 8

So, calling GetTimeFormat or GetTimeFormatEx with dwFlags=0 (no flags) would therefore INCLUDE the seconds part in times and solve this to make my request/suggestion for a TC internal configuration checkbox "Show seconds" possible as is already implemented in WinRAR as mentioned.

As I consider most users of TC advanced (certainly not dumb) just for being able to use TC itself and also enthusiasts for paying attention to details, then I hope some other TC users here may also consider my request/suggestion important and useful.

ghisler(Author) could you please consider and reply to this?

2damieri

Custom columns is very nice, not very complicated and well documented feature of TC. I think this is enough for most users of TC. (IMHO)

Ovg wrote:Custom columns

Sorry, but using Customs columns is a "cop out" or "hack" and does not display properly in some plugins, file systems etc.

If "seconds" are displayed natively within TC by my suggestion, it would be ideal.

Again I ask what is the big deal for displaying only two extra digits (seconds) for a supposedly advanced file manager such as TC? I am really fed up with these type of excuses.

Why not improve rather than "dumb-down" or stagnate?

I hope I get a more useful response from some others or the author.

I like the idea - support+

For now it could just be an option that is set manually in wincmd.ini - later it could be incorporated in the configuration dialog.

I'd also like to see the seconds via native columns!





[MTAG]

I wish to add my voice to this apparently reasonable request.

Support++. There is enough space on modern screens to display native seconds rather than use properties or custom columns.

I really miss seconds in native columns, please consider

also + to this request.

Support but only as an option.
For normal files I never need the seconds.

The real solution is to enable the format for time/date column in the DD:MM:YYYY HH:MM:SS style.
That way each user can set preferred way of displaying: short date, long date, 12/24, abbreviated month, day of week etc.

Support++

Why it is not here as a configuration parameter, I wonder.
In Tabstops Options there already are "Show century in date (20xx)" and "Use 12 hour AM/PM format",
so why not "Show seconds in time" ???

Configurable as suggested here: https://www.ghisler.ch/board/viewtopic.php?p=413086#p413086

petermad wrote: ↑2022-05-23, 14:40 UTC Configurable as suggested here: https://www.ghisler.ch/board/viewtopic.php?p=413086#p413086

Of course. Stupid me for being hasty and not having searched the forum
Thanks petermad.