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Beta12 TC leaked
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SanskritFritz
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I'm concerned how come that betas of TC are leaked? Probably one (or even more?) member of the betatest team is betraying the faith of Christian. Those beta leaks does'nt serve any good purpose. Precautions could be taken by generating individual betaversions for every betatest member. They would include a special mark/checksum that would enable Christian to identify the betaversion member in case of a leak. This will help sorting out "black sheeps" and definetly will prevent leaks in the future.
Sad though that one has to think of such drastic steps. I'm definetly avoiding those leaked beta versions. It's a matter of honor and i don't like to experience bad surprises of non-official beta versions.
Sad though that one has to think of such drastic steps. I'm definetly avoiding those leaked beta versions. It's a matter of honor and i don't like to experience bad surprises of non-official beta versions.
Could be. Also it could happen while e-mail/network spying by some unfair system administrators.deus-ex wrote:I'm concerned how come that betas of TC are leaked? Probably one (or even more?) member of the betatest team is betraying the faith of Christian.
Individual beta-tester mark is a good idea, however it needs good automated beta-tester's package creation. And better make the way it's done unknown.deus-ex wrote:Precautions could be taken by generating individual betaversions for every betatest member. They would include a special mark/checksum that would enable Christian to identify the betaversion member in case of a leak. This will help sorting out "black sheeps" and definetly will prevent leaks in the future.
And maybe closed betas should work only with betatesters' keys.Anyway I also propose using PGP for internal Beta testers mails.
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Quite possibly he did "watermark" betas. That doesn't really help though, as it only means that more the one copy is needed to remove watermarks.
And you wouldn't believe how many people answer "yes" to a friend's request even when it contradicts such a fundamental human value as ownership of bit combinations.
I would rather see Christian concentrate on development then engage in hopeless and completely unnecessary attempts to restrict dissemination of betas.
And you wouldn't believe how many people answer "yes" to a friend's request even when it contradicts such a fundamental human value as ownership of bit combinations.
I would rather see Christian concentrate on development then engage in hopeless and completely unnecessary attempts to restrict dissemination of betas.
Hear, Hear!Roy wrote:I would rather see Christian concentrate on development then engage in hopeless and completely unnecessary attempts to restrict dissemination of betas.
I would advise Ghisler to add a giant announcement in a beta's start-up screen stating that the version is a BETA and not for public use and should not be distributed. That will keep the large (legal) download sites from spreading these files and that is IMO the only problem with leaked beta versions (because it creates a false sense of security for novice users).
If certain (brave) individuals want to test these leaked beta's despite this clear warning, on their own risk, just let them....If they have been lurking around on illegal sites, they are probably advanced enough to avoid viruses and Trojans getting to them. And smart enough to avoid critical use with beta versions. (TC is not the only software with beta's that can totally muck up your system!). If not, it will be a good teaching! :lol:
BTW: AFAIKS this leaked file is from a different source than the first leaked version. Hence the difference to 'original setup' beta10 and this cracked beta12
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...BRB...
I don't understand why the whole shebang about betas, IMO stable enough betas should be released to the public and it's for the good of the product. Small number of people cannot find all the bugs that might hide in the program, the larger the set of beta testers the better the chance to find them all.
About betas stability and the issue of protecting people from themselves: they do sell knives in the shops even though you can potentially cut yourself... Give a healthy warning that this is a BETA product and let people figure for themselves if they want to take the chance or not.
People use beta programs (this is a fact), with that fact set aside it means that if the betas aren't released publicly (officially) they _will_ get leaked by other sources which means people will still use them, the author won't get the bug reports he could have gotten and people might get the software from dubious sources which is IMO worse than supplying it publicly.
That's my cent.
P.S. given the betas are out there I find it extremely stupid to say that beta discussion is unwelcome on the board, but again that's only my opinion.
Cheers.
About betas stability and the issue of protecting people from themselves: they do sell knives in the shops even though you can potentially cut yourself... Give a healthy warning that this is a BETA product and let people figure for themselves if they want to take the chance or not.
People use beta programs (this is a fact), with that fact set aside it means that if the betas aren't released publicly (officially) they _will_ get leaked by other sources which means people will still use them, the author won't get the bug reports he could have gotten and people might get the software from dubious sources which is IMO worse than supplying it publicly.
That's my cent.
P.S. given the betas are out there I find it extremely stupid to say that beta discussion is unwelcome on the board, but again that's only my opinion.
Cheers.
yeah its sooo much better getting thausends of mails with the same bug instead of one...JackFoo wrote:I don't understand why the whole shebang about betas, IMO stable enough betas should be released to the public and it's for the good of the product. Small number of people cannot find all the bugs that might hide in the program, the larger the set of beta testers the better the chance to find them all.
and i dont share your five cents - cause Chris is the coder, so HE decidedes whos testing it and who not.JackFoo wrote: ....
That's my cent.
and again i dont agree with you - what the hell should the board with hundreds of complains about a bug that was allready postet to Chris by one of the betatesters?...JackFoo wrote: P.S. given the betas are out there I find it extremely stupid to say that beta discussion is unwelcome on the board, but again that's only my opinion.
Sorry guy, but this is no anarchie, democracy or whatever - Live with Chirs' Decission or let it
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What happened Sir Silva - getting angry - why are you barking so much???
Think anyone can express his opinion here as freely as he wants to.
Ruben
PS: Sure you are not complaining about not having the new beta - you've got it so for you no need to check on policy
Think anyone can express his opinion here as freely as he wants to.
Ruben
PS: Sure you are not complaining about not having the new beta - you've got it so for you no need to check on policy
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Quality of this forum greatly deteriorated since every suggestion made to the author comes under attack by overzealous *** moderators. I hope Christian enjoys the process.
[mod]Hello,
We never attacked someone who made a suggestion. We are far from doing this. I haven't attacked you for requesting a checksum. I think I have explained well why there is no checksum. We are open to any arguments why a checksum should be released. But there haven't been any argument so far on this.
The next point I want to address is the language you are using. As you can read in the guidelines insultings are not allowed on this board. I had to remove the insulting words.
Greetings Lefteous (Moderator)
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[mod]Hello,
We never attacked someone who made a suggestion. We are far from doing this. I haven't attacked you for requesting a checksum. I think I have explained well why there is no checksum. We are open to any arguments why a checksum should be released. But there haven't been any argument so far on this.
The next point I want to address is the language you are using. As you can read in the guidelines insultings are not allowed on this board. I had to remove the insulting words.
Greetings Lefteous (Moderator)
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