Tooltips on file panels - is it possible to tune the behavior?

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Tooltips on file panels - is it possible to tune the behavior?

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Tooltips on file panels are quite useful since they show file information such as file version & description for executables.
And, despite its usefulness, I mostly have the tooltips disabled.
In the same time, I actively use a FarHints plugin for a FAR Manager that basically does the very same: show tooltips with file information.
So, why do I use them in FAR Manager and do not use in Total Commander?
Well, the difference is very small, but it is very significant to me!
In FAR Manager, when you are moving the cursor away from the file for which a tooltip was shown, the previous tooltip immediately disappears right when you started to move the cursor away from the current file.
In Total Commander, when you are moving the cursor away from the file for which a tooltip was shown, the previous tooltip remains on the screen, thus confusing me because I still see the previous tooltip at the position where the cursor was, while the cursor is being moved to another file. And when I stop moving the cursor, the old tooltip disappears and the new one appears for the current file, thus creating an impression of "jumping" of the tooltip from the old position to the new one.
Can this behavior be tuned to make it the same as in FarHints? I.e. to hide the tooltip window once the cursor leaves the current file - and then show the tooltip only when the cursor has stopped at a new file?
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Re: Tooltips on file panels - is it possible to tune the behavior?

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Also, FarHints allows to configure the transparency of the tooltip window. To me, 12% transparency looks quite good as the tooltip's window is clearly visible and readable while you have some idea of what is behind the tooltip window.
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Re: Tooltips on file panels - is it possible to tune the behavior?

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In Total Commander, when you are moving the cursor away from the file for which a tooltip was shown, the previous tooltip remains on the screen
I cannot recognize this - here the tooltip disappears immediately when I move the mouse cursor away from a file, or - if the next file also has a tip - the text in the tooltip is immediately replaced, when I move the mouse cursor over the next.

I see a slight delay before the tooltip is shown when moving the cursor from a file without a tip to a file with a tip, but I see no delay when moving between files that have tips.

FarHints allows to configure the transparency of the tooltip window.
That is not possible in TC but you can set the colors for the tooltip with these parameters in the [Colors] and [ColorsDark] sections of your wincmd.ini:
HintForeground
HintBackground
HintBorder
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Here is a recorded GIF animation that demonstrates the behavior described. The tooltip remains on its previous position until the cursor stops at a new one. (Desired behavior: the previous tooltip shoul disappear once the cursor leaves the current item).
Image: https://ibb.co/MR2XjK6
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No such problems here.
The tooltip moves to the next item without any delay.
How should the tooltip disappear when you leave an item ?
It reaches the next one in a list view and displays the new tooltip of course..
There is no empty space between lines.
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Re: Tooltips on file panels - is it possible to tune the behavior?

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OK, let me demonstrate it by comparing the actual behavior (in TotalCmd) with the desired behavior (in FAR Manager):

Actual behavior:
Image: https://ibb.co/XVcq6XN

Desired behavior:
Image: https://ibb.co/GTtDhKD

I.e. no tooltip should be shown while cursor is moving!
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2DVV

I can see the difference in behavior in your two clips, but the way your tc behaves it not quite like mine does. If I move the cursor fast, the tooltip disappears and pops up at the file where I stop the cursor. If I move the cursor a little slower (like in your videos) a new tip pops up for each file I pass. So the difference in a way is that TC shows tooltips even if the cursor is moving, but your FAR Manager only shows them when the cursor is at a complete standstill. I cannot recreate the appearance of a "sitting back" tooltip as in your TC video.
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There is no tooltip shown for me while the cursor is moving fast enough.
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Re: Tooltips on file panels - is it possible to tune the behavior?

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Is there a chance to have this behavior customized in the next version of Total Commander?
I mean, to be able to configure the timeouts of appearing/disappearing of the tooltip as well as to be able to specify its transparency?
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Re: Tooltips on file panels - is it possible to tune the behavior?

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Unfortunately, nothing has been changed regarding the file panel tooltips in Total COmmander 10.50.
No ability to change the tooltip delay, no ability to change the transparency...
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Re: Tooltips on file panels - is it possible to tune the behavior?

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DVV wrote: 2022-07-09, 16:43 UTCNo ability to change the tooltip delay
There is a delay only before the descriptions appear ([Configuration] > TooltipDelay=<ms>).
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Re: Tooltips on file panels - is it possible to tune the behavior?

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There is a delay only before the descriptions appear ([Configuration] > TooltipDelay=<ms>).
That setting is for the tooltips for the buttons in the buttonbar and the drive buttons.
help wrote:ToolTipDelay=500 Delay in milliseconds, until descriptions for the buttons in the button bar are shown (default = 500)
history.txt wrote:29.12.08 Added: Use ToolTipDelay also for tooltips in drive buttonbar
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Re: Tooltips on file panels - is it possible to tune the behavior?

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2petermad
Exactly. Memory failed.
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Maybe the new option in Total Commander 10.50 to show tooltips only on icons may be useful for you then:

wincmd.ini
[Configuration]
FileTipWindowsOnIcon=1

The type of tips can still be controlled via the settings dialog.
Alternatively, you can set FileTipWindowsOnIcon=2 to show floating tooltips over the icon, and name tooltips for names which are too short over the name.
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Re: Tooltips on file panels - is it possible to tune the behavior?

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ghisler(Author) wrote: 2022-07-11, 07:30 UTC[Configuration]
FileTipWindowsOnIcon=1
Thank you, this is pretty nice solution!
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