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improve text in help - ignore list
Posted: 2025-02-01, 15:29 UTC
by oko
If I am right, the ignored files/folders are handled different way if copied or moved. Therefore I suggest to correct text in help (changes are in red):
Help wrote:
Ignored files/folders are a different way from hidden files to hide items. Ignored is not an attribute of a file/folder, it is function of Total Commander and works only in Total Commander. Ignored files/folders:
- will not be displayed,
- (F5) will not be copied,
- If a folder with ignored items is copied, ignored items are omitted (it means although source and target will seem identically after copying, source folder contains ignored but they are hidden, target folder does not contain ignored items at all).
- (F6) will not be moved (individually), but will be moved if they are in moved folder,
- will not be counted (neither in number of files nor in size),
- will be ignored in "synchronize dirs".
Files/folder in ignore list are being copied/moved/displayed while ignored master switch is turned off.
Of course, you can edit if there is bad english, or correct if anything is not right.
Re: improve text in help - ignore list
Posted: 2025-02-01, 15:48 UTC
by oko
And there is maybe one typo in notes below 8 points:
Help wrote:Notes:
- All 3 options above also support the wildcards * and ?, e.g. *.br1
Maybe it should be
-
First 3 options...
Re: improve text in help - ignore list
Posted: 2025-02-01, 21:37 UTC
by Sir_SiLvA
oko wrote: 2025-02-01, 15:29 UTC
If I am right, the ignored files/folders are handled different way if copied or moved. Therefore I suggest to correct text in help (changes are in red):
Help wrote:
Ignored is not an attribute of a file/folder, it is function of Total Commander and works only in Total Commander.
That bad sentence should be fixed too
to something like
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Ignored is not an attribute of a file/folder but a function of Total Commander.
Re: improve text in help - ignore list
Posted: 2025-02-02, 01:51 UTC
by petermad
Maybe it is worth mentioning that it is possible to navigate into an ignored folder with the cd command, and that the content of that folder can then be copied and moved.
Re: improve text in help - ignore list
Posted: 2025-02-02, 08:09 UTC
by oko
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Sir_SiLvA
ok, maybe:
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Ignored is not an attribute of a file/folder but a function of Total Commander and takes effect in Total Commander only.
I think that Ignored takes effect in TC only but not in other file managers/explorers is also important to mention.
Re: improve text in help - ignore list
Posted: 2025-02-02, 08:25 UTC
by oko
2petermad
I only add and precise:
The content of ignored folder can be displayed in file list also by typing (or inserting) its path in current directory bar.
If content of ignored folder is not ignored items, they can be handled (copied, moved, deleted, selected...) normally.
Re: improve text in help - ignore list
Posted: 2025-02-02, 09:08 UTC
by ghisler(Author)
(F6) will not be moved (individually), but will be moved if they are in moved folder,
This is only correct when moving folders on the same drive. Then the folder is moved to the new location as if it were a single file, with all its content. When you move a folder to a different drive, the files/subfolders in the folder will be copied there, and then deleted from the original drive. This will leave the hidden file(s) behind, and you will get an error that the folder couldn't be deleted.
Maybe it should be
- First 3 options...
No, wildcards actually work in all cases for the file names.
Re: improve text in help - ignore list
Posted: 2025-02-02, 10:08 UTC
by oko
2
ghisler(Author)
Thank you for explanation. Now I know why sometimes I got deleting error and sometimes not.
However, there is difference between copy and move ignored. Ignored are not copied anytime but they are handled if they are inside moved folder. F6 point could be precised like this:
- (F6) will not be moved except they are inside moved folder. If folder is moved on the same drive, ignored items inside the folder are moved. If folder is moved to a different drive, ignored items inside the folder are copied. In such case as the side effect you will get an error that the source folder couldn't be deleted.
Then there is the question why ignored are omitted while copying, but they are not ommited while moving? I think ignored should be ignored. Or if they are moving, not deleting them in source folder is redundant burden for user.
Re: improve text in help - ignore list
Posted: 2025-02-02, 10:25 UTC
by oko
ghisler(Author) wrote: 2025-02-02, 09:08 UTC
No, wildcards actually work in all cases for the file names.
ok, then maybe there should be:
- All
3 options above also support the wildcards * and ?, e.g. *.br1
Re: improve text in help - ignore list
Posted: 2025-02-02, 13:06 UTC
by petermad
Then there is the question why ignored are omitted while copying, but they are not ommited while moving
Simply because when moving a folder on the same drive - it is not actually moved it is just renamed, so no handling of the potentially ignored files/subfolders inside the folder is taking place.
Re: improve text in help - ignore list
Posted: 2025-02-02, 21:16 UTC
by Sir_SiLvA
oko wrote: 2025-02-02, 08:09 UTC
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Sir_SiLvA
ok, maybe:
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Ignored is not an attribute of a file/folder but a function of Total Commander and takes effect in Total Commander only.
No, mentioning TC twice is just bad style.
Plus People who use TC should be intelligent enought to understand that a function of TC OBVIOUSLY only works INSIDE TC.
Re: improve text in help - ignore list
Posted: 2025-02-03, 20:53 UTC
by oko
2Sir_SiLvA
It's meant as a comparison to a "hidden". "hidden" is set in file properties and takes effect in tc and in other explorers too. Compared to hidden "ignoring" is set in tc and it takes effect in tc only.
In common if the user is a beginner, he will appreciate any clear explicit statements to better understand. It saves time as he doesn't have to figure it out on his own. I will let author decide to leave or delete.
Re: improve text in help - ignore list
Posted: 2025-02-04, 07:58 UTC
by ghisler(Author)
No, mentioning TC twice is just bad style.
Sorry, I'm not a native English speaker. Do you have a better suggestion?
Re: improve text in help - ignore list
Posted: 2025-02-04, 09:55 UTC
by JOUBE
Sir_SiLvA wrote: 2025-02-02, 21:16 UTC
oko wrote: 2025-02-02, 08:09 UTC
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Sir_SiLvA
ok, maybe:
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Ignored is not an attribute of a file/folder but a function of Total Commander and takes effect in Total Commander only.
No, mentioning TC twice is just bad style.
Plus People who use TC should be intelligent enought to understand that a function of TC OBVIOUSLY only works INSIDE TC.
ghisler(Author) wrote: 2025-02-04, 07:58 UTC
No, mentioning TC twice is just bad style.
Sorry, I'm not a native English speaker. Do you have a better suggestion?
There are many functions within the Tc that have effects outside the Tc. Here for example: copy/move.
Therefore, the sentence as stated is required with the Tc mentioned twice.
The relations at copy/move with the Ignore fuctionallity should really be explained very precisely and in detail in the help.
Re: improve text in help - ignore list
Posted: 2025-02-04, 13:06 UTC
by petermad
How about just:
"Ignored is not an attribute of a file/folder and takes effect in Total Commander only."