.. Serbians call them brothers, at least !
Well, you may already know that 95% of the sw in Russia is pirated. Before 20, 30 years or so, even the goverment was involved in that, printing scientific books without aproval. While I was studing, I could find every possible scientific book accessible. Today, we have similar situation on software field.
And then.. most of the extra stuff for TC are done by Russians (plugins, forums, just name it...).
Would this be this way if no warez was/is present in Russia ?
No, if you ask me.
[OT] Wondering.... russian brothers !
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[OT] Wondering.... russian brothers !
We are not doing this just for the money.
We are doing it for sh*t load of money.
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We are doing it for sh*t load of money.
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if i have an idea, if i feel inspired, if i have possibility, if my soul aches for it - i'll do my best to make it true. even for free.
whithout pirates where could i be now? lying overintoxicated somewhere in the dirt? my job brings me about 200$ per month. it's not bad. i can live and help my parents. i don't mean pirates are the universe heroes, but they give so many people a base, a starting point, a chance for a normal life, not a survival.
whithout pirates where could i be now? lying overintoxicated somewhere in the dirt? my job brings me about 200$ per month. it's not bad. i can live and help my parents. i don't mean pirates are the universe heroes, but they give so many people a base, a starting point, a chance for a normal life, not a survival.
The problem is that world prices on software are too high for Russian level of salaries and prices on other goods. That's why there are so many pirated programs here: people want to use sw but cannot afford to pay so high prices for them. I think, the situation is very similar in Serbia.
And of course, the number of programmers and the level of piracy are deeply connected. Let's take for example MS Visual Studio. How many people could buy it at a cost of $1500 if their salary is about $150-200/month? (I don't take Moscow - it has its own level of prices and salaries.) Or Delphi for at least $1000 Pro version and $3500 Enterprise? Of course, there are some free programming tools are present, but they are mostly inconvenient in use. Most programmers work just for pleasure, and with such poor tool there is no pleasure at all...
Pirated version of the high-quality IDEs allows many young programmers (pupils and students) to try themselves in creating their own programs, which they could never create without such IDEs.
Luckily, this situation begins to change. More and more products appear in Russia with special regional prices that are much more suitable for us. Also many Russian programmers understand this situation and make their products free for Russians and shareware for other users.
And of course, the number of programmers and the level of piracy are deeply connected. Let's take for example MS Visual Studio. How many people could buy it at a cost of $1500 if their salary is about $150-200/month? (I don't take Moscow - it has its own level of prices and salaries.) Or Delphi for at least $1000 Pro version and $3500 Enterprise? Of course, there are some free programming tools are present, but they are mostly inconvenient in use. Most programmers work just for pleasure, and with such poor tool there is no pleasure at all...
Pirated version of the high-quality IDEs allows many young programmers (pupils and students) to try themselves in creating their own programs, which they could never create without such IDEs.
Luckily, this situation begins to change. More and more products appear in Russia with special regional prices that are much more suitable for us. Also many Russian programmers understand this situation and make their products free for Russians and shareware for other users.
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There is (was) a free version of Delphi, fortunately.Flint wrote:Or Delphi for at least $1000 Pro version and $3500 Enterprise?
But yes, market-dependent prices would be nice in general. I liked the idea of one software developer who sold his program for "50 units of your currency".
The problem with market-dependent prices would however be the same as is now with eg iTunes in the US and Canada. As 1 USD > 1 CAD and the songs cost 99 cents (USD or CAD), some US citizens are now trying to buy songs through Canada (because it's cheaper).
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The answer is here:I'm wondering if Russian and Serbian people are massively using a hacked version of TC...
according to majkinetorWell, you may already know that 95% of the sw in Russia is pirated.
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On the other hand, I use TC constantly. It starts with my Windows via Startup and it's the last program I close before turning the computer off. Many other people use TC just occasionally, for some specific operations, and for them this program does not cost its $34.
And also there is one more group of people... Unfortunately, it's larger than one could expect. They are the ones who absolutely refuse the very idea of buying software. I heard phrases like "I'm not an idiot to buy a program; let the people with excess money buy it!" I think, it's caused by the habit that every program can be downloaded for free and then cracked.
Well, I don't think that it's correct decision. One unit of currency have different cost in different countries...I liked the idea of one software developer who sold his program for "50 units of your currency".
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Well, as for me, $34 is not very large sum of money for such a great program. Some time ago (when 6.0 was coming to release) I was about to buy TC, but Ghristian gave a free license for my plugin.I'm wondering if Russian and Serbian people are massively using a hacked version of TC...
Is TC very expensive for such a markets?
On the other hand, I use TC constantly. It starts with my Windows via Startup and it's the last program I close before turning the computer off. Many other people use TC just occasionally, for some specific operations, and for them this program does not cost its $34.
And also there is one more group of people... Unfortunately, it's larger than one could expect. They are the ones who absolutely refuse the very idea of buying software. I heard phrases like "I'm not an idiot to buy a program; let the people with excess money buy it!" I think, it's caused by the habit that every program can be downloaded for free and then cracked.
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let me state it this way: I don't know anybody, and I mean anybody in Serbia who buy software, games, music and dvds..... I heard that there are some but not encountered anyone yet. Some say that they are dangerous species...I'm wondering if Russian and Serbian people are massively using a hacked version of TC...
I am glad that Ghisler is giving free licenses for plugin developers.
We are not doing this just for the money.
We are doing it for sh*t load of money.
r-moth.com
r-moth.deviantart.com
We are doing it for sh*t load of money.
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Purchasing power ?
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Hello Roman !
- All this info about salaries is not meaningful without indications about the corresponding purchasing power in each quoted country…
- Just for example, I get more here, but I pay a pot of honey (0.5 kg) 7.95 €, one liter of fresh milk 1.60 € (the cows may have golden horns and hooves !), a bag of tobacco for the sailor's pipe (50 g) 7.30 €, bread (0.3 Kg) 0.80 €, a bag of (good) ground coffee 4.05 € and all the rest in the same painting…
Kind regards,
(relatively poor) Claude
Clo
Hello Roman !- All this info about salaries is not meaningful without indications about the corresponding purchasing power in each quoted country…
- Just for example, I get more here, but I pay a pot of honey (0.5 kg) 7.95 €, one liter of fresh milk 1.60 € (the cows may have golden horns and hooves !), a bag of tobacco for the sailor's pipe (50 g) 7.30 €, bread (0.3 Kg) 0.80 €, a bag of (good) ground coffee 4.05 € and all the rest in the same painting…
Kind regards,(relatively poor) Claude
Clo
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You mean in hotels?one liter of fresh milk 1.60 €
In Germany a liter of fresh milk is 0.55 € in the cheapest supermarkets, the countrymen really love that...
French people WANT to pay more for their food I think, that's why you have so strange prices over there.
Try out to bake bread yourself, it tastes much better and is much cheaper although you probably have to import the meal from Germany if you want to try something else than white bread, baguette and croissants.
One good thing about prices in France: When I had seen the prices for cigarettes when I visited France last, I quit smoking when I came back because I had no money anymore.
Oh, before I forget: Please send me a photo of these golden cows, in Germany they are lilac.
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