Shortcuts proposal

eugensyl · Post by *eugensyl » 2007-03-07, 08:41 UTC

After a long period of times, some asks became reality.

I think many TC users are very lucky and so happy because shortcuts or hot keys exist in TC and are customizable. Keyboard is more productive because it stay in the same place and mouse must be located first, after that must be driven carefully to the fix point. I prefer a reduced action, how much is possible, to change focus from mouse to keyboard or inverse.

I saw in forum search how F2 became a complementary rename filename inline, how it was add other shortcuts and so on. History...

Now, it's a good opportunity to add inside TC 7(beta), some other usual shortcuts and remove the obsolete, in order to became a non-beta version. I mean, spring time clean up!

Bellow you will see what already exist default in TC and a list of proposal new hot keys, able to be inserted into TC:
http://www.cjbihor.ro/tc/ShortcutsTC7.txt

Also, I'm surprised about SHIFT+F4 witch is unknown or undocumented function, but everybody still use it. Many shortcuts are not mine, are folkloric in TC community, but must be a little standard in every languages and with any wincmd.ini, by force of habit.

The last part is from wincmd.ini file, shortcuts section. It can be replaced very easy, in copy-paste-land.

Only for lazy people.

Many thanks to TS4242, author of Ultra TC Editor.

Best wishes,

m^2 · Post by *m^2 » 2007-03-07, 09:21 UTC

Nice. Generally I'm for. But some things I'd change:
Isn't F9 too good key for cm_LanguageConfig?
Why do you want to add Alt to Ctrl+Q and Ctrl to Alt+F5?
Removing hotkeys: I'm against. I'm for changing F2, Ctrl+P also sounds nice. These are Windows' standards, all other changes you propose are not. Some people are used to them, change would be painful - and I see only one person that would benefit from it ;->
(OT)
In the file --- in "Proposed Hotkey" means "no proposal-leave a it is if there are no conflicts" and "no hotkey" in "Default Hotkey". It's confusing.

eugensyl · Post by *eugensyl » 2007-03-07, 15:28 UTC

m^2 wrote:Nice. Generally I'm for. But some things I'd change:
Isn't F9 too good key for cm_LanguageConfig?

What is your propose?

Why do you want to add Alt to Ctrl+Q and Ctrl to Alt+F5?

It's my change. I accept, it's my own and I keep in wincmd.ini for my reason. But I agree your point of view.

Removing hotkeys: I'm against.
I'm for changing F2, Ctrl+P also sounds nice. These are Windows' standards, all other changes you propose are not. Some people are used to them, change would be painful

Ok! I agree, both.

In the file --- in "Proposed Hotkey" means "no proposal-leave a it is if there are no conflicts" and "no hotkey" in "Default Hotkey". It's confusing.

It's a open topic. Default hotkey are shortcuts inside TC. If you remove "Shortcuts" section in wincmd.ini, those hotkeys still remain active as default hotkey even them are not shown or not in main menu. Sure, thanks to Ghisler, you can change them from configuration menu.

If somebody have a different opinion, please let as know, but with arguments, pro or on the contrary. Also please, if you don't agree one or many shortcuts, give others or suggest removal from the list. Punctually!

At the end of this topic we will see about average of hotkeys usage, how often or maybe yet a bad solution.
I think, we can together improve this field. Don't you? Of course, with kindness of Mr. Ghisler team.

Nothing is in clue!

Be not against without something to say.

Thank you in advance for any contribution to this topic.

Best wishes,

m^2 · Post by *m^2 » 2007-03-07, 15:46 UTC

eugensyl wrote:
m^2 wrote:Nice. Generally I'm for. But some things I'd change:
Isn't F9 too good key for cm_LanguageConfig?
What is your propose?

Something that's used more than once during TC's life

I'd give it for cm_CompareFilesByContent, but 80% of internal commands would fit well there.

eugensyl · Post by *eugensyl » 2007-03-07, 19:18 UTC

m^2 wrote:
eugensyl wrote:
m^2 wrote:Nice. Generally I'm for. But some things I'd change:
Isn't F9 too good key for cm_LanguageConfig?
What is your propose?
Something that's used more than once during TC's life
I'd give it for cm_CompareFilesByContent, but 80% of internal commands would fit well there.

Thank you!

Someone else?

Best whises,

Post by *petermad » 2007-03-07, 21:17 UTC

2eugensyl
These keys shouldn't be used as hotkeys:

Alt+A
Alt+B
Alt+D
Alt+L
Alt+R
Alt+S
Alt+T
Alt+Shift+R
Alt+Shift+S

They won't work with AltSearch=1

These shouldn't be used either:

Ctrl+Alt+A
Ctrl+Alt+B
Ctrl+Alt+D
Ctrl+Alt+H
Ctrl+Alt+I
Ctrl+Alt+K
Ctrl+Alt+L
Ctrl+Alt+O
Ctrl+Alt+P
Ctrl+Alt+Q
Ctrl+Alt+T

they won't work with AltSearch=0

eugensyl · Post by *eugensyl » 2007-03-08, 08:55 UTC

petermad wrote:2eugensyl
These keys shouldn't be used as hotkeys:
Alt+A
...
They won't work with AltSearch=1

These shouldn't be used either:
Ctrl+Alt+A
...
they won't work with AltSearch=0

Usually, hotkeys have priority high. That's good.
On the other hand It's possible to activate first QuickSearch Window (with a hotkey) and start locate. In second case no mater hotkeys. You are focused on locate action.

Thanks

Best wishes,

Post by *petermad » 2007-03-08, 16:45 UTC

Usually, hotkeys have priority high. That's good.

Not in this case for me - I would very must resist having my Alt+Letter search spoiled by having higher priority Alt+letter hotkeys forced down my throat.

Flint · Post by *Flint » 2007-03-09, 13:51 UTC

petermad wrote:I would very must resist having my Alt+Letter search spoiled by having higher priority Alt+letter hotkeys forced down my throat.

Absolutely agree.

eugensyl · Post by *eugensyl » 2007-03-30, 16:58 UTC

petermad wrote:
Usually, hotkeys have priority high. That's good.
Not in this case for me - I would very must resist having my Alt+Letter search spoiled by having higher priority Alt+letter hotkeys forced down my throat.

I agree too. I haven't slept so much...

After a small period I decided:
First: - I want to use Alt-letter for quick search
2nd: - I want to release all default keys of TC to their aim.
Only F2 and Ctrl-P are replaced.

After that I try a lot of combination.
This is my [Shortcuts] section:

[Shortcuts]
F2=cm_RenameOnly
F9=cm_LanguageConfig
F10=cm_CopyNamesToClip
F11=cm_CopyFullNamesToClip
F12=cm_LoadSelectionFromClip
A+F11=cm_CopyNetNamesToClip
A+F12=cm_CopySrcPathToClip
S+F12=cm_CopyTrgPathToClip
C+G=cm_VerticalPanels
C+J=cm_MatchSrc
C+P=cm_PrintFile
C+S=cm_SaveSelection
CA+0=cm_UnloadPlugins
CA+1=cm_FocusLeft
CA+2=cm_FocusRight
CA+3=cm_FocusCmdLine
CA+5=cm_50Percent
CA+A=cm_SetAttrib
CA+B=cm_VisButtonbar
CA+D=cm_SwitchDirSort
CA+E=cm_AddPathToCmdline
CA+F=cm_Associate
CA+G=cm_CommandBrowser
CA+H=cm_SwitchHidSys
CA+I=cm_SwitchIgnoreList
CA+K=cm_VisKeyButtons
CA+L=cm_SwitchLongNames
CA+M=cm_SwitchWatchDirs
CA+N=cm_OpenNetwork
CA+O=cm_Switch83Names
CA+P=cm_SwitchOverlayIcons
CA+Q=cm_ShowQuickSearch
CA+S=cm_ShowOnlySelected
CA+T=cm_SwitchSeparateTree
CA+W=cm_VisDirTabs
CA+Y=cm_OpenControls
CA+Z=cm_OpenDesktop
CA+F5=cm_PackFiles
CA+ENTER=cm_Properties
CAS+D=cm_ExecuteDos
CAS+F9=cm_Config
CS+C=cm_CompareFilesByContent
CS+D=cm_FileSync
CS+E=cm_CompareDirs
CS+G=cm_OpenTransferManager
CS+O=cm_LoadSelectionFromFile
CS+S=cm_SaveSelectionToFile
CS+Z=cm_SrcThumbs
CS+F10=cm_CRCcreate
-----------------------------------

Works fine! Thank you everyone! Especially at TS4242 for Ultra TC Editor.
It's a good idea to redirect this section.

Shortcuts highly improve your speed.

Best wishes,

Post by *petermad » 2007-03-30, 20:37 UTC

2nd: - I want to release all default keys of TC to their aim.

Note quite - see below:

F9=cm_LanguageConfig

Already used for "activate menu above source window (left or right)" by default.

F10=cm_CopyNamesToClip

Already used for "activate left menu or deactivate menu" by default

C+P=cm_PrintFile

Already used for cm_AddPathToCmdline by default.

eugensyl · Post by *eugensyl » 2007-03-31, 10:37 UTC

petermad wrote:
2nd: - I want to release all default keys of TC to their aim.
Note quite - see below:

Almost. I know.
But I thinking...
It's a compromise, till now.

What you propose?

Best wishes,

Post by *petermad » 2007-03-31, 20:49 UTC

Well, you still have several free combinations - how about CS+P=cm_PrintFile for example

eugensyl · Post by *eugensyl » 2007-04-01, 18:48 UTC

2 petermad

petermad wrote:Well, you still have several free combinations - how about CS+P=cm_PrintFile for example

I made following changes, according to position in menu or easy way to learn and use:
1. F9, F10 and Ctrl-P release to their function

2. F12=cm_LanguageConfig (old F9)
3. F11=cm_CopyNamesToClip (old F10)
4. S+F11=cm_LoadSelectionFromClip (old F12)
5. CA+E=cm_SwitchOverlayIcons (old CA+P)
6. CA+F11=cm_CopyFullNamesToClip (old F11)
7. CS+P=cm_PrintFile (old C+P)
8. CAS+F12=cm_Config (old CAS+F9)

CA+P is unassigned to eliminate the possible confusions.
Only Ctrl+Shift+P is used for print.

It's quite good.
What you say?

roentgen · Post by *roentgen » 2007-04-01, 18:57 UTC

I didn't really watched this thread but...

- why cm_LanguageConfig needs a shortcut? It's a one time setting.
- I use CA+C=cm_CopyNamesToClip and CS+C=cm_CopyNetNamesToClip which I find way more natural and ready to use with only one hand than any F11 combo.