Feature redesign of function keys+Shift/Ctrl

[icfu]

Because of the poll Should F2 become the default for renaming? I thought it would be a good idea to think about all function keys, not only F2.

Don't take the proposed modification keys too serious, you can easily exchange Ctrl with Alt to avoid collisions with file sorting for example. It's just a general idea.

In this example Shift always means "without extension", Ctrl always means "same pane". Here we go:

F2: rename filename incl. extension
F2+Shift: rename filename only

F5: copy file, rename filename incl. extension
F5+Shift: copy file, rename filename only
+Ctrl: Toggle for same panel

F6: move file, rename filename incl. extension
F6+Shift: move file, rename filename only
+Ctrl: Toggle for same panel, so that would be the current Shift-F6 for renaming

F7: create new folder
F7+Shift: create new file, don't open editor...

F8: create link incl. extension
Shift-F8: create link without extension
+Ctrl: Toggle for same panel

F8/Shift-F8 for deleting is superfluous (because of del/shift-del), that strange Alt-F4 Exit-key even more, it could be used for some other meaningful operation.

So, what about that? Yep, it's against all odds, I know, but it makes sense at least.

Icfu

Edit: First version had bugs.
Add an ini-setting for easily inverting the BASIC meaning of function keys (with or without extension):
ExtensionToggle=1/0
One setting to specify the preferred modification key:
ShiftCtrlToggle=1/0

That should satisfy most if not all users.

[ThurahT]

Crap! F2 for renaming is explorer and I feel that totalcmd does everything that explorer does and doesn't and much better....

F5: copy file, rename filename incl. extension

Its already with rename.. or is that not visible on ur computer?
Same goes for F6...

F7+Shift: create new file, don't open editor...

Thats a good one tho.

Regards.
ThurahT

[icfu]

I'm not for F2 because of Explorer but because there's some logic behind it. Each function key from F2 to F8 would be restricted to one SPECIFIC category of file/folder operation then which would be very easy to remember, not only for experienced users but also for complete newbies and these are the people needing some easy hints to start with.

All basic file operations would be bound to the functions keys from F2 to F8 and with Shift, Ctrl, Alt or combinations of them we would have enough toggles to extend their functionality without having to remember too much.

I'll try to make it clearer:

F2: Renaming operations only, pressing Alt-F2 in "my" logic should start Multi Rename Tool for example
F3: Viewing operations only
F4: Editing operations only, Shift-F4 opens external viewer, Alt-F4 opens external viewer by extension, in analogy to F3
F5: Copying operations only
F6: Moving operations only
F7: Creating operations for folders and files only
F8: Creating operations for links, hard links, junctions only

In that logical scheme F2 for refresh looks offtopic because it has nothing to do with file managing.

Its already with rename.. or is that not visible on ur computer?
Same goes for F6...

Yep, it is of course. The difference is that my proposal includes the possibility to rename the filename WITHOUT the extension when pressing the modification key Shift while copying, moving or creating links.

Basically it is the extension of the new 6.02 feature

18.02.04 Added: wincmd.ini [configuration] RenameSelOnlyName=1 selects only name (not ext) on inplace rename

to copy and move operation and as a new logical step to link creation as well.
This fits perfectly to the proposal in the German forum:
http://www.ghisler.ch/board/viewtopic.php?t=3447

Thanks for your comment.

Icfu

[ghisler(Author)]

I want to change as few shortcuts as possible. Why? People get used to shortcuts, and it's annoying when they change all the time. Even now after several months I press Ctrl+T instead of Ctrl+M from time to time when I want to open the multi-rename tool - and this change was absolutely necessary...

People who need different shortcuts can mostly change them via the configuration.

[norfie]

[icfu]

I want to change as few shortcuts as possible.

My impression is that you wanna change as few as possible in general. You think that you have to let TC look and behave like 20 years ago to make your old customers happy.
Unfortunately you seem to ignore that there are people waiting to try out TC for the first time.

Why? People get used to shortcuts, and it's annoying when they change all the time. Even now after several months I press Ctrl+T instead of Ctrl+M from time to time when I want to open the multi-rename tool - and this change was absolutely necessary...

We seem to have different opinions about the meaning of "all the time".

People who need different shortcuts can mostly change them via the configuration.

That's exactly what a complete newbie to TC does NOT wanna do and even if he tries to do so he will stop at once when he has a look at his possibilites to do so in the Redefine hotkeys dialog... For whom is this dialog made for? For *name removed by request* maybe?

Disappointing to see that you haven't commented the feature proposals at all.

Have fun all, I'm outta here

Icfu

[Jon Canale]

What about having two menu files, and the user is asked which one to use at install? Then us old timers can use the NC keys, and the new kids can use MS keys? That is, if most of the shortcuts can be redefined in the menu files, like I think they can. Really, there are only a few keys that need to be changed around, I think.

[ThurahT]

Have fun all, I'm outta here

Icfu

Hey... Not like this...
My feature Ideas in this thread did not receive any comments either.. Unless ur nick is hacker that seems to be pretty normal..

Regards.
ThurahT

[Hacker]

Unless ur nick is hacker that seems to be pretty normal..

It seems I'm getting known around here...

Roman

[norfie]

[SanskritFritz]

2Jon Canale

What about having two menu files, and the user is asked which one to use at install? Then us old timers can use the NC keys, and the new kids can use MS keys? That is, if most of the shortcuts can be redefined in the menu files, like I think they can. Really, there are only a few keys that need to be changed around, I think.

Hey that seems to be a good idea, even though not all the shortcuts are stored in the menu files (actually none of them, only the ones modified). But the possibility to save keyboard layouts would be nice, and then TC install could propose some predefined ones.

[Black Dog]

[face=courier]On 18-03-2004 01:04:21 +0000 icfu wrote:

i> For whome is this dialog made for? For Black Dog maybe?

Well, I can't see what is the reason you mentioned my nick in this context for, but it would be just great if you won't mention it at all. Thank you.

And JFYI, I don't use GUI dialog to redefine/assign hotkeys, I do it via WINCMD.INI direct editing %).

Have a good day.[/face]

[Black Dog]

[face=courier]On 18-03-2004 14:32:10 +0000 SanskritFritz wrote:

S> Hey that seems to be a good idea, even though not all the
S> shortcuts are stored in the menu files (actually none of
S> them, only the ones modified).

What exactly prevents you from distributing your shortcuts along with menu?[/face]

[Hacker]

I can't see what is the reason you mentioned my nick in this context

I'm think icfu wanted to say that the dialog is too difficult for The Average User - ie suitable for you.

Roman

[IGL]

Hey! Many among those who use TC are those who used NC. And the keyboard shortcuts - two panes etc are what make TC the best one!
I also press Ctrl+T to run multi-rename tool! But I forgive the author (this time ).
Now my personal point of view (it may start conflict with Icfu) - I love TC as I loved Norton Commander!!! And I do not like explorer as much as I did not like the poor File Manager in Windows 3.0!
TC is so good program because it behaves as it behaves and allows to perform operations very quickly for those who use it.
I am not sure author should put his effort on making it work like Ms Explorer and work completly different as well. I'd like to see some new features rather then another tune-up to make TC a more explorer like.

BTW: I agree with Icfu that Shift+F7 is interesting option (inline new-dir like inline renaming ? ). And also Alt+F4 could be used for something better (more frequently used) - I very rarely use Alt+F4 in TC .