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Broken russian letters with MS Sans Serif

 
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PostPosted: Sat Aug 13, 2016 10:26 am    Post subject: Broken russian letters with MS Sans Serif Reply with quote

If choose MS Sans Serif, Bold, 8px, Cyrillic as Files list Font, russian letters in file names are invisible. But they visible in inline edit mode (Shift-F2). And in Configuration dialog box as sample I have russian letters.

Sample file name: М. Магомаев - Серенада Трубадура (Луч Солнца Золотого).mp4

tester on Windows 10 v1607 b14393.10
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PostPosted: Sat Aug 13, 2016 7:26 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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in inline edit mode (Shift-F2).


Just for the record - it is Shift+F6 that is the default shortcut for inline renaming. Shift+F2 compares directories dy default.
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PostPosted: Sun Aug 14, 2016 3:48 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Not confirmed (TC 9b9 x86/x64 @ W10 x64).

http://i.imgur.com/x7eMfQS.png

p.s. There are not any specific "russian letters", even a single one, - all of them are just Cyrillic.
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PostPosted: Tue Aug 16, 2016 2:10 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

beb wrote:
p.s. There are not any specific "russian letters", even a single one, - all of them are just Cyrillic.

As a sidenote: this is wrong.
You could check with Google: there are 33 Russian letters in Russian alphabet.
The letters do not have to be specific in any way, and Cyrillic here is the script.
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PostPosted: Tue Aug 16, 2016 1:57 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Not confirmed too, everything is visible. Is your system locale Russian?
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PostPosted: Tue Aug 16, 2016 2:32 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Your MS Sans Serif font may not contain the Cyrillic character set. This can happen when changing locale settings after installing Windows.

I recommend that you use "Microsoft Sans Serif" instead, it contains a large number of codepages.
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PostPosted: Mon Oct 16, 2017 4:18 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Same problem after windows update again.

Possible the problem in Windows, but:
1. systeminfo returns:
System Locale: ru;Russian
2. in Configuration / Options / Display / Font/ I can see russian letters in sample string.

screenshot: https://ibb.co/dBrrFm

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PostPosted: Mon Oct 16, 2017 5:02 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Please use Microsoft Sans Serif instead. MS Sans Serif isn't a truetype font, so there can be all kinds of errors when using different scripts.
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PostPosted: Mon Oct 16, 2017 6:59 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

"Microsoft Sans Serif" is blurry on my system.
"MS Sans Serif" much crisper!
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PostPosted: Mon Oct 16, 2017 11:05 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Microsoft Sans Serif


Turn off Anti-aliasing / Font-smoothing / Cleartype for your system - those features makes all fonts blurry.
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PostPosted: Mon Oct 16, 2017 11:46 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

petermad wrote:
those features makes all fonts blurry.

Not quite correct. There are fonts that are "optimized" for ClearType, e.g. MS Sans Serif, Segoe UI, Roboto and so on. Other fonts - especially older ones - look indeed blurry when ClearType is enabled.

@SailorMax:
The MS/Microsoft Sans Serif fonts don't have both Unicode and ClearType; it's either or. You have two options:

  • Either use MS Sans Serif, leave ClearType enabled, but don't have Unicode characters.
  • Or use Microsoft Sans Serif, disable ClearType and have Unicode characters.
I always use the second option because ClearType makes fonts across programs inconsistent, sometimes it's blurry sometimes it's not because it depends on the font.

There's a third option: use a completely different font that has both Unicode and ClearType support. If you happen to find one, it would be nice if you let us know.

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PostPosted: Mon Oct 16, 2017 12:19 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I find for example Segoe UI disturbing my vision both with and without Cleartype.

Unfortunately even disabeling font-smoothing system-wise is not respected by several of Microsofts own programs (Internet Explorer, Word etc.)
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PostPosted: Tue Oct 17, 2017 2:17 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I use not only Total Commander. And overall I totally satisfied in current smooth settings Smile

Screenshot a little smoothed (I have crisper font), but as you can see for "MS Sans Serif" was chosen "Cyrillic" code page and in "Configuration" window TC can output Russian letters without problems: "дцьйикасз".
I don't understand why TC can't output them in files list in some cases. And don't understand why do you think this is not a bug.
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PostPosted: Tue Oct 17, 2017 2:59 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I have tried to switch Windows 10 to Russian locale, and set language for non-Unicode programs to Russian too. Unfortunately I can only choose "Western" as font encoding for "MS Sans Serif". Therefore I cannot currently reproduce your problem.

1. Do you use Total Commander 32-bit or 64-bit?
2. Does it work with other non-truetype fonts from c:\windows\fonts? They have .fon extension.
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PostPosted: Wed Oct 18, 2017 1:02 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Looks like we have to hold this problem again. After today's cumulative update with restart the problem is gone Smile

1. I use TC 64-bit
2. will test, when problem appear again.

thank you.
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