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ts4242 wrote: i will do the following
1- search for TC folder in HKLM and use it if exist and valid
2- if not found in HKLM then search for it in HKCU
3- if not found search for wincmd.ini file in windows folder and take the path from it.
4- if not found in these three locations no way i have to ask the user.
Is it possible first to use the %commander_path% variable? So you could even different TC installations adapt without browsing through directorys.

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icfu wrote:
Oh well, there are only two of them...
How do you know? Have you travelled the whole WWW to make sure? If I was sure that there were only two I would have dropped the phrase 'I think'.

Is there no best among two alternatives? I don't get it, sorry. :)

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Well, you see it's the treasures you can posses that really matter. It's fine to know that there might be hidden ones but they are worthless since you never get to touch gold. From that (my) point of view there are indeed ONLY two available menu editing tools for TC! ;)
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2>JohnFredC
1. Drag and drop of menu items doesn't work on my system. Is it supposed to?
Drag and drop not supported now, maybe in the future.
2. Possible bug: After I add a menu item, then select repeat from the context menu, the up and down toolbar buttons perform the repeat function instead of move. Maybe I don't understand what repeat is supposed to do? My menus have repeated commands in several different locations.
it is a real bug i will fix it.
the repeat function help you to have one command in several locations when you edit your own menu.
3. I like the idea of this program but find it unintuitive to use. I'm used to either drag and drop or buttons with arrows to add/remove items from a list. Perhaps a toolbar in the separator with appropriate "add" and "remove" buttons would be helpful.
do you mean check box beside the command in the list?
i think using icon is more pretty.


you can walk through the list using Up & Down arrow and press Space bar to Add/Remove the selected command.
this is more comfortable than using toolbar buttons or even Drag and drop. am i right?
4. A separate method of adding the hotkey combinations would be nice. Perhaps a "hotkey by example" approach? I would select a menu item, your program would prompt me to press the desired combination, I would do so, then your program would build the hot-key string and append it to the menu item in appropriate syntax.
Sorry but i will not complcate my program so far.

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Is it possible first to use the %commander_path% variable? So you could even different TC installations adapt without browsing through directorys.

sheepdog
from where i get %commander_path% first?
do you mean adding option for that variable in options dialog? i said before
i don't see any reason for such option coz the program will never start without knowing where is totalcmd.inc from registry or from the user. and as far as the program start there is no meaning to open totalcmd.inc from another location. do you agree with me?
any way i will think of that.

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from where i get %commander_path% first?
do you mean adding option for that variable in options dialog? i said before
%COMMANDER_PATH% is only valid in Total Commander. The only way to get it is a commandline parameter; example:

UTCMEdit.exe /P:%COMMANDER_PATH%
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pdavit,
Don't despair my friend!
I am heroically trying not to. ;)
You DO know your audience after all!
Yepp... though, without any offence or bad feelings to anyone, it's discouraging to see so much traffic about a new tool which already exists from another author. I guess it's because the other TCME is more mature. ;)


icfu,
How do you know? Have you travelled the whole WWW to make sure?
Yepp, I did, unless someone proves me wrong. :P
Is there no best among two alternatives?
Of course there is... but concerning me being the over-sensitive, competition-hating, self-loving author of the other one, you picked the wrong one. ;)

Anyways, good luck to ts4242.

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ts4242 wrote:from where i get %commander_path% first?
do you mean adding option for that variable in options dialog? i said before
No. When the program starts first it asks for Total Commander Path. You wrote you want in future version
i will do the following
1- search for TC folder in HKLM and use it if exist and valid
2- if not found in HKLM then search for it in HKCU
3- if not found search for wincmd.ini file in windows folder and take the path from it.
4- if not found in these three locations no way i have to ask the user.


I suggest you to read %commander_path% first, wich is set by TC when starting. There you have the TC-folder. And if you always at starting Ultra TC Main Menu Editor read the content of %commander_path% and use it one could easily adapt TC menu in different TC installations.
I use at least 3 of them for I have installed at my PC win98 and XPPro wich need different settings and one TC-installation is for travelling.

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@Hacker:
Of course there is... but concerning me being the over-sensitive, competition-hating, self-loving author of the other one, you picked the wrong one
Oops, that's the prob... I am really ashamed now, sorry, I haven't remembered that you were the author of TCME, too long ago I checked that one.

So, I just did a second look:
Your tool looks indeed more professional, better programmed, has no VB depencies, supports drag&drop, and has some very nice keyboard features, move up, move down, copy, etc...

BUT:
It looks boring and angry, it says "Leave me alone!" instead of "Hello, how can I help you?", just like the first version of gnutella, if you remember it...

What about a font setting (way too small for my taste), some colors, a real file menu, maybe a button bar?

It would be much easier to learn the shortcuts one by one by a look at the file menu instead of having to learn them through RTFM.

I hope you try to understand my point of view now, at least a little bit. Don't be too angry, I'm just a silly user desperately waiting for some competition. ;)

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2>Hacker
Anyways, good luck to ts4242.

Roman
Thank you very much for this wish.

Dear\ Roman
when i desided to make my program i never thinking in harm you or anyone else, i was only need to master some issues in programming with VB and when i finished it i loved to all TC users share with me this tool, that is all.
you know i, you and many others do hard effort to program tools or plugin for TC and we offer this tools for free we gain nothing but we do that for personal enjoy.
So don't be very despair, angry or upset just continue developing your program and be sure we all waiting for the next release of your TCME.
Programming is my life and i will never stop programming for any reason.
my rule: Life is nothing without competition.

finally i hope i can master English as i do with VB :) , so excuse me for any mistake. :oops:
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icfu,
Your tool looks indeed more professional, better programmed, has no VB depencies, supports drag&drop, and has some very nice keyboard features, move up, move down, copy, etc...
Thank you for the praise.
It looks boring and angry, it says "Leave me alone!" instead of "Hello, how can I help you?", just like the first version of gnutella, if you remember it...
I think it looks just like TC - more work has been spent on functionality than on looks. Never used gnutella, BTW.
What about a font setting (way too small for my taste), some colors, a real file menu, maybe a button bar?
- Font setting is an interesting idea, will take a look at it;
- I thought about colors for a while, but in the current implementation it's not possible to have colors per entry, only per listbox, I'd have to reprogram quite a bit to make it possible to set them per entry. What way do you imagine having colors in TCME?
- File menu - what for? I mean, everything can currently be done using the buttons and keyboard shortcuts, a file menu would maen one more unnecessary click. It wouldn't be difficult to make and it might save some space by getting rid of the buttons, but again, what for?
- Button Bar, err, again, what for?
I am not against improvements, I just don't see the improvement.
It would be much easier to learn the shortcuts one by one by a look at the file menu instead of having to learn them through RTFM.
I agree, any ideas welcome.
I hope you try to understand my point of view now, at least a little bit. Don't be too angry, I'm just a silly user desperately waiting for some competition.
I never was angry, just a bit disappointed.

ts4242,
It would be childish of me to be angry at a competitor, but it was a strange feeling to suddenly see a tool with the same functionanlity appearing out of nowhere, looking better. Hmm, maybe envy? Anyways, as I said, no hard feelings, if TC and SC can live together peacefully I am sure we can, too. :)
Life is nothing without competition.
Well, I for myself like cooperation better than competition. :)

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Hacker wrote: I agree, any ideas welcome.
I'd prefer if not only the commands were displayed but the description too.

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I'd prefer if not only the commands were displayed but the description too.
Erm, pardon me, what exactly are you talking about?

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Hacker wrote:
I'd prefer if not only the commands were displayed but the description too.
Erm, pardon me, what exactly are you talking about?

TIA
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:oops: I'm used to see alwasy my german description, so I thought incidently you are displaying the cm_TccCommands instead of the description. Now, as you asked I had another look and see that i was wrong. Scuse me. But I'd like your program to display my totalcmd.inc for the german description of the commands. Or is it still possible?

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@Hacker: An error I am approaching:
List index out of bounds, maybe TCME can't handle big menus? No idea...
What way do you imagine having colors in TCME?
I would start with background coloring to make the structure of the menus more obvious. Headers, 1st level entries, 2nd level entries, etc...
File menu - what for? I mean, everything can currently be done using the buttons and keyboard shortcuts
True, but where are left/right arrows for adding/deleting entries, up/down arrows for moving entries? If all actions would be available as buttons you could explain the corresponding shortcut as a hover hint.
It's just not enough that all can be done through shortcuts, you need to find a way for people to easily learn these shortcuts as well, one of the main problems of TC imho.
All is there but noone knows about it...
Button Bar, err, again, what for?
Buttons at intuitive places, middle for left/right and along the right side for moving will fit.

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Sheepdog, icfu,
Thanks for participating, but as I don't want to hijack threads, I will continue at http://ghisler.ch/board/viewtopic.php?t=88&start=30 , OK?

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Good idea, maybe someone with more rights can move the offtopic posts there?
I have all said for now, anyway. ;)

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