TC for Linux suggestion...
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[quote="ghisler(Author)"]The problem is that the code is 90% identical to the code of the Windows version - so the Windows version would automatically become free too and I could close my company...[/quote]
If it is 90% identical, what about the following:
- remove the ftp stuff and put into a plugin (windows version). One of the strengths of TC is its plugin concept. It should work, I guess. NO ftp in the first linux version
- remove the Compare by content. Make it a configurable external application and ship your diff viewer in the windows version as default. Linux user could use one of the already existing diff viewers here
These were the "hard to port" parts you mentioned above.
Build and release it as a test version. Just RPMs or scrambled source code, no open source, no GPL, no closed company :-)
If the plugin interfaces are open, maybe somene is willing to write the ftp plugin as open source.
If it works and "feels" like TC on windows, I am willing to buy a second license just for linux!
Good work so far!
Heiner
If it is 90% identical, what about the following:
- remove the ftp stuff and put into a plugin (windows version). One of the strengths of TC is its plugin concept. It should work, I guess. NO ftp in the first linux version
- remove the Compare by content. Make it a configurable external application and ship your diff viewer in the windows version as default. Linux user could use one of the already existing diff viewers here
These were the "hard to port" parts you mentioned above.
Build and release it as a test version. Just RPMs or scrambled source code, no open source, no GPL, no closed company :-)
If the plugin interfaces are open, maybe somene is willing to write the ftp plugin as open source.
If it works and "feels" like TC on windows, I am willing to buy a second license just for linux!
Good work so far!
Heiner
Yeah, what about a linux license? Other companies producing cross-platform software like e.g. Opera require a new license for each OS.
I'm not sure if I agree, but it depends on what business model you subsribe to. What is modern today is that a company doesn't sell "products" but "solutions". A "product" is OS dependant while a "solution" is not. However, there is, I guess, substantial work involved in making versions to run on other platforms so why not? Why would Ghisler bother making a linux version if he can't make money on it? Afterall, he *is* running a business. Therefore, I've made my decision, I will buy a license for the linux port when (if) it comes out.
I'm not sure if I agree, but it depends on what business model you subsribe to. What is modern today is that a company doesn't sell "products" but "solutions". A "product" is OS dependant while a "solution" is not. However, there is, I guess, substantial work involved in making versions to run on other platforms so why not? Why would Ghisler bother making a linux version if he can't make money on it? Afterall, he *is* running a business. Therefore, I've made my decision, I will buy a license for the linux port when (if) it comes out.
I'm agree with Odegard, if a TC for Linux comes out and it offers a lifetime registration (as the Windows version does) i will buy a 2nd license just for Linux.
And if the problem to release Linux version it's Ftp maybe you can release Linux version without it.
BTW how many of TC normal users use FTP ???
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And if the problem to release Linux version it's Ftp maybe you can release Linux version without it.
BTW how many of TC normal users use FTP ???
Sas #62914
90% identity of code is too much 
Well ghisler, there's still a way: release TC for Linux "as is", with no Lister neither FTP neither other unportable stuff... You only will need to develop a very extensible plugin system so users can add Linux "built-in" features on demand. I suggest pipe-driven shell scripts like in MC. What about that?
Well ghisler, there's still a way: release TC for Linux "as is", with no Lister neither FTP neither other unportable stuff... You only will need to develop a very extensible plugin system so users can add Linux "built-in" features on demand. I suggest pipe-driven shell scripts like in MC. What about that?
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This is far better than Midnight Commander already. Certainly beat the hell out of cd and ls.
Generally without a decent lister, sorry to say this, Total Commander will be useless (in my opinion). I find myself mostly using it for archiving stuff and viewing files in Lister, so I would gladly pay for Totalcmd Linux version (no matter what license), but only if it *includes* lister and some kind of integration with image/sound/video viewers.
the FTP stuff will be fine, but not so required as in the windows version. (If no other way exists, why not use the native Linux apps, i.e. FTP, and only build a frontend for them?) The same applies to file compare- diff is a great tool, and it is perfect for almost everything... except hex comparing.
Anyways, I miss generally TC when I am working in Linux, and I swear that Krusader is good, but it cannot compare with TC. And there is a solution for the problem with 90% similar code - just sell only *compiled* versions. no shareware, please. eveyone that would want TC in Linux, knows it already from Windows, and if he/she wants it, he/she *is* ready to pay for it. There is no need to promote it
in Linux shareware is not a solution - the Linux user is used to GPL or *commercial*.
-that was only my 2c-
the FTP stuff will be fine, but not so required as in the windows version. (If no other way exists, why not use the native Linux apps, i.e. FTP, and only build a frontend for them?) The same applies to file compare- diff is a great tool, and it is perfect for almost everything... except hex comparing.
Anyways, I miss generally TC when I am working in Linux, and I swear that Krusader is good, but it cannot compare with TC. And there is a solution for the problem with 90% similar code - just sell only *compiled* versions. no shareware, please. eveyone that would want TC in Linux, knows it already from Windows, and if he/she wants it, he/she *is* ready to pay for it. There is no need to promote it
in Linux shareware is not a solution - the Linux user is used to GPL or *commercial*.-that was only my 2c-
Heiner wrote:
If it is 90% identical, what about the following:
- remove the ftp stuff and put into a plugin (windows version). One of the strengths of TC is its plugin concept. It should work, I guess. NO ftp in the first linux version
- remove the Compare by content. Make it a configurable external application and ship your diff viewer in the windows version as default. Linux user could use one of the already existing diff viewers here
These were the "hard to port" parts you mentioned above.
Build and release it as a test version. Just RPMs or scrambled source code, no open source, no GPL, no closed company
If the plugin interfaces are open, maybe somene is willing to write the ftp plugin as open source.
If it works and "feels" like TC on windows, I am willing to buy a second license just for linux!
Good work so far!
Heiner
I agree with all of these proposals. I hope (if ever released) LinTC will contain Lister though. Although it is a part of TC that can use many improvements, it is essential.
Christian: i'm sure there are many good linux developers out there who can and would be happy to help.
As for the licensing... I would also get a license for Linux. There are too many programs out there and imho, we must keep alive the ones that really worth it, especially when their authors are not asking for extreme amounts of cash for them.
My 2 cents...
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Normally using latest TC on:
x32: WinXPx32 SP3 (very rarely nowadays).
x64: Clients/Servers - Win10/Win11 and Win2K16 to Win2K22, mainly Win10 though.
hi,
ich hab christian heute schon eine email geschrieben bezueglich eines linux-ports. feststeht, dass es bereits mindestens zwei projekte fuer linux gibt, welche sich eindeutig am wc/tc orientieren.
das waeren naemlich folgende:
linux commander: http://www.algonet.se/~skeleton/linuxcmd/
und
gnome commander: https://savannah.gnu.org/projects/gcmd/
mit den entwicklern beider koennte man eigentlich wunderbar zusammenarbeiten.
zu den etwas schwieriger zu realisierenden features wie z.b. ftp wuerde ich einfach mal sagen: es gibt genug gute, grafische ftp-clients, jedoch sehr wenige (bzw. nur einen, naemlich mc) gute filemanager. ich betrachte die implementierung eines solchen features daher eher als unwichtig.
ich hab christian heute schon eine email geschrieben bezueglich eines linux-ports. feststeht, dass es bereits mindestens zwei projekte fuer linux gibt, welche sich eindeutig am wc/tc orientieren.
das waeren naemlich folgende:
linux commander: http://www.algonet.se/~skeleton/linuxcmd/
und
gnome commander: https://savannah.gnu.org/projects/gcmd/
mit den entwicklern beider koennte man eigentlich wunderbar zusammenarbeiten.
zu den etwas schwieriger zu realisierenden features wie z.b. ftp wuerde ich einfach mal sagen: es gibt genug gute, grafische ftp-clients, jedoch sehr wenige (bzw. nur einen, naemlich mc) gute filemanager. ich betrachte die implementierung eines solchen features daher eher als unwichtig.
And every prayer we pray at night, has somehow lost its meaning.
oh, noch ein paar dinge vergessen ;)
ich finde folgende features auf jedenfall sehr wichtig:
- dateioperationen/-handling (klar, wieso sonst nen filemanager)
- checksummen generieren/pruefen
- multi-renaming
- support fuer externe packer (zip, tar, bzip2, rar, ace)
- compare bzw. diff
- synchronize directories
das sind die, die mir spontan so eingefallen sind. vielleicht hat ja wer noch eine ergaenzung ;)
zum thema plugins/modularer aufbau wuerde ich vorschlagen eventuell perl zu nehmen - der autor vom linux-commander moechte in version 0.6.0 sogar eine eigene scriptsprache einbauen. koennte man ja eventuell auch benutzen.
vielleicht sind das ein paar anregungen. eine umsetzung des TCs fuer linux waere auf jedenfall _genial_
gruss
micha
ich finde folgende features auf jedenfall sehr wichtig:
- dateioperationen/-handling (klar, wieso sonst nen filemanager)
- checksummen generieren/pruefen
- multi-renaming
- support fuer externe packer (zip, tar, bzip2, rar, ace)
- compare bzw. diff
- synchronize directories
das sind die, die mir spontan so eingefallen sind. vielleicht hat ja wer noch eine ergaenzung ;)
zum thema plugins/modularer aufbau wuerde ich vorschlagen eventuell perl zu nehmen - der autor vom linux-commander moechte in version 0.6.0 sogar eine eigene scriptsprache einbauen. koennte man ja eventuell auch benutzen.
vielleicht sind das ein paar anregungen. eine umsetzung des TCs fuer linux waere auf jedenfall _genial_
gruss
micha
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