[9.0b1x86] Too flat interface

[petermad]

The status bar looks almost as if it was another directory in the list

Exactly - that why I also suggested this: http://ghisler.ch/board/viewtopic.php?p=311426#311426 - Also when not using classic theme - look at the image in my post - it is the same problem with themed Windows when using wincmd.ini parameter TabHeaderThemed=0 - and always a problem with the status bar - themed or not.

[ghisler(Author)]

It's not so simple - there was a border around the listbox which I removed because it could only be drawn with the 3D sunken effect. That border is now missing at the bottom too. I could draw something on the status bar, but it's not clear what color should be used there so that it's compatible with all themes.

[Flint]

ghisler(Author)
What did you use for the column headers delimiter? I think the same might be used for status bar.
If that does not work for some reason — maybe another parameter under [Colors].

[j7n]

The lines around the main toolbar and the separators within it do look inconsistent with the sunken status bar and Explorer, Office and other standard software on 2000/XP.

The option "Flat user interface" toggles between sunken and grey everywhere – except – the main toolbar. Unflat should allow the sunken borders.

Comparison with other software (EmEditor is even fairly recent – made in 2012)

All other toolbars look like they have nice metallic hi-fi finish with a groove, whereas TC has grey paint that is about to rub off. The 2px lines do not look as dark to me, because the opposite colors partly cancel out.

Why write four pages of complaints? I consider this thread a revolt against "flat design".

To be true to the classic theme, a depressed button should also have a lighter color, inbetween 3D 'face' and 'highlight' (white), but I can accept that it is not due to TC being a custom Delphi program.

Image: http://i.imgur.com/cThFdWV.png

[Sob]

Don't forget, the original "flat" and "non-flat" was a little different from what we have now. These new 1px lines are like "ultraflat" - hated equally by all Classic fans, no matter if they prefer flat or non-flat. ;)

[MVV]

These new 1px lines are like "ultraflat" - hated equally by all Classic fans, no matter if they prefer flat or non-flat.

+100

Classic interface should conform classic styles but now it doesn't. And screenshots by j7n show it.
The most interesting thing is that both Delphi and Lazarus are already able to draw necessary borders (for TToolbar, TPanel etc) so there is no need in any additional painting...

[petermad]

History.txt

14.08.16 Added: Re-added horizontal border between listbox and
footer when using themes, using top line of tab control (32/64)

Thanks! - now we are almost there

But when [Layout]TabHeaderThemed=0 is used we still ned a line between the tab header and the listbox - for the same reasons as we needed the line between the footer and the listbox - see: http://madsenworld.dk/tcmd/top-panel-line.png

[petermad]

But when [Layout]TabHeaderThemed=0 is used we still ned a line between the tab header and the listbox

Fixed in TC9b11 - Thank You!

[Hacker]

Move to Fixed?

TIA
Roman

[petermad]

Move to Fixed?

I don't know if the other particepants issues with classic theme are all fixed.

[MVV]

There is still a border issue in classic theme that is not 'fixed':
- classic borders are not classic now but 1-pixel flat
- there is no border between status bars and F-buttons when command line is hidden
- there is no border between status bars and command line when command line is not hidden.

[MVV]

Another thing that is not 'fixed' is path bar style inconsistency: it has border when tab header is visible but no border when tab header is absent.

[ghisler(Author)]

Not confirmed. It has its own (sunken) border when there are no tabs, and uses the tab control borders otherwise.

[MVV]

uses the tab control borders otherwise

That's what I'm talking about. It should use same nice sunken border in both cases (in case of classic theme of course). When I add extended style 0x20000 for TPathPanel in case of tabs, it looks perfect.

Controls with different backgrounds are never placed together w/o any borders in classic 3D look.

[ghisler(Author)]

The tab control is drawn using Windows theme functions, so I can't just change its colors.