New file created with Shift+F4 not shown until manual refresh in filelist if editor is not defined

[DrShark]

If we set the empty line as path to F4 Editor in Total Commander configuration, TC internally replaces it with "none"
string, so when we use Shft+F4 in filelist Total Commander creates a new file and then tries to open in some editor called "none", which by default on Windows doesn't exist, so TC shows an error:

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Total Commander
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File not found!
none 

"Не удается найти указанный файл."
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OK
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The new file is actually created though, but Total Commander doesn not show it in filelist even after pressing OK in above error message.
Only after refreshing the panel e.g. with Crtl+R new file appears there.

I think more expected behavior here world be to auto-refresh file list just after actual new file creation happened to show it there, even before TC will show mentioned error.

[petermad]

Or the file should not be created at all, when editor is set to "none".

[DrShark]

Or the file should not be created at all, when editor is set to "none".

I think TC should create the file, it's a main goal of Shift+F4 function while opening in editor is a bonus feature (which sometimes is not needed because user then wasting time closing the editor window, and some users would even prefer so TC would never even try to open newly created file in editor). The error message can be easily closed with Esc key.

[ghisler(Author)]

How about this: If the editor is set to none, then Shift+F4 could just create the file without trying to open it?

[petermad]

2ghisler(Author)

If the editor is set to none, then Shift+F4 could just create the file without trying to open it?

That is fine too - but then a message that the file is created would be nice, since the new file might not even be visible in the shown part of the current directory - or better jump to the new file in the file panel (that would actually also be nice if there is an editor configured to open the file).

[ghisler(Author)]

Yes, jumping to the file is a very good idea, I will add that too.

[DrShark]

How about this: If the editor is set to none, then Shift+F4 could just create the file without trying to open it?

Since techincally "none" is a possible name of editor's binary, I think TC should check whether an executable with name "none" exists in locations set in %PATH% and only if is not there assume the editor is not set by user.

[Stefan2]

If we set the empty line as path to F4 Editor in Total Commander configuration, TC internally replaces it with "none"

...plus following discussion...


Maybe Mr. Ghisler could just use some other string there, like "<none>", or much better "No editor configured"


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2ghisler(Author)

If the editor is set to none, then Shift+F4 could just create the file without trying to open it?

That is fine too - but then a message that the file is created would be nice, since the new file might not even be visible in the shown part of the current directory - or better jump to the new file in the file panel (that would actually also be nice if there is an editor configured to open the file).

> "or better jump to the new file in the file panel (that would actually also be nice if there is an editor configured to open the file)."

Not always.
If I am f.ex. in "C:\Windows\System32\" near the "Sysprep"-folder and
create a new file "TempNotice.txt" and TC jumps to files starting with "T",
that would also be confusing and I was loosing my position near the folders starting with an "S" and have to search for them again.

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Also I want to remember on my idea, if the entered file name on Shift+F4 contains
a additional special sign, like "?" or ">", the file will be created but no editor (even configured) will be launched.
I for one often create new file that way, but do not need to open them, so it's annoying to always close them again, so I use my own script here.





 

[DrShark]

If we set the empty line as path to F4 Editor in Total Commander configuration, TC internally replaces it with "none"

...plus following discussion...

Maybe Mr. Ghisler could just use some other string there, like "<none>", or much better "No editor configured"

Well, my remark was more in sake of backward compatibility, so I don't see urgent reason to change that string.

[ghisler(Author)]

I have added this now to Total Commander 10.50 beta, please try it!

How about this: If the editor is set to none, then Shift+F4 could just create the file without trying to open it?

[white]

Tested OK using TC10.50b2 32bit and 64bit.

Question: In case an external editor is defined, why not also refresh the list and go to the file before launching the editor?

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Edited: I think ghisler(Author) mistakenly clicked the edit button instead of the quote button and changed this post to include:

Question: In case an external editor is defined, why not also refresh the list and go to the file before launching the editor?

Because there is no need, and the user may prefer to keep doing what he was (e.g. selecting files)?

[white]

Question: In case an external editor is defined, why not also refresh the list and go to the file before launching the editor?

Because there is no need, and the user may prefer to keep doing what he was (e.g. selecting files)?

Unlikely, not intuitive and inconsistent.