OPENBAR1 doesn't save the button bar as the main (current) after restarting TC

[Fla$her]

OPENBAR1 differs from OPENBAR by loading the main toolbar.
Logically, the command should keep a record in wincmd.ini

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[ButtonBar]
Buttonbar=<NAME>.bar

, which doesn't happen.

[Sir_SiLvA]

a) where is this a bug?
b) OPENBAR can load the vertikal main toolbar too

So I dont understand why this topic is in bugs instead of suggestions where it clearly belongs?
as all 3 openbar cmds do what they are supposed to do?

[Fla$her]

Due to an incorrect description in TOTALCMD.INC. It is necessary to change the "main" to "horizontal".

09.06.16 Added: New commands OPENBAR1 and OPENBAR2 to open new button bar file in horizontal/vertical button bar.

The main one is perceived as default.

[Sir_SiLvA]

Due to an incorrect description in TOTALCMD.INC. It is necessary to change the "main" to "horizontal".

Where is the BUG?
main = horizontal bar and everyone knows that

[Fla$her]

main = horizontal bar and everyone knows that

Once again, you speak for everyone. It's not true.
Nowhere in the help does the phrase "main button bar" appear...
Before the appearance of the vertical bar, few people would call the horizontal bar the main one, because it was the only one. It was called the button bar or toolbar.

[Sir_SiLvA]

a) I dont speak for Everyone but I at least use the wiki -> OpenBar(1) = Load main button bar from file
(OpenBar1 = OpenBar except if you put it in the vertical bar)
b) you can change the title as much as you want but it is not a bug as OpenBAR is not suppossed to replace anything
as the command discription clearly states: OpenBar(x) <filename> = Load button bar from a file
there is nothing written down about saving it and it was never intended that way.

Before the appearance of the vertical bar, everyone would call the horizontal bar the main button bar, because it was the only one.

fixed your mistake, hth

[Fla$her]

Wiki is a weak argument, only a few who wanted to spend time on it, such as you now, could read it there. No Openbar(x) in the official help and TOTALCMD.INC, especially in the version with parentheses.

you can change the title as much as you want

Why is this said? As you can see from the lack of editing, I haven't changed anything yet. When I see fit, I will change both the title and description of the problem, if necessary.

fixed your mistake, hth

It's better to keep silent about your mistakes, right?

everyone knows that

I dont speak for Everyone

[Sir_SiLvA]

Wiki is a weak argument, only a few who wanted to spend time on it, such as you now, could read it there. No Openbar(x) in the official help and TOTALCMD.INC, especially in the version with parentheses.

1. No, everyone can read the tc wiki
2. Help -> Operation -> Menus -> Menu Configuration -> 11.
3. ???

[________Commands with Parameters_________]=0
...
OPENBAR <filename>=-8;Load button bar from file
...
OPENBAR1 <filename>=-20;Load main button bar from file
OPENBAR2 <filename>=-21;Load vertical button bar from file

(as you can see even the Creator calls it main button bar... and no we dont need MORE documentation for OPENBAR(x) cause it does exactly whats in the name )

It's better to keep silent about your mistakes, right?

everyone knows that

I dont speak for Everyone

The first one is called general knowledge and the second is a fact not a contradiction to the first as you wish it to be.

Lets get back to the point of your bug report which I still dont see anywhere.

[ghisler(Author)]

OPENBAR* is only temporary.

[Fla$her]

as you can see even the Creator calls it main button bar... and no we dont need MORE documentation for OPENBAR(x) cause it does exactly whats in the name

Why should I see what I pointed out?:

Due to an incorrect description in TOTALCMD.INC. It is necessary to change the "main" to "horizontal".

Once again, the description does not include the "OPENBAR(x)" entry to which I referred, only OPENBAR, OPENBAR1 and OPENBAR2.
Why point to the creator if errors in the documentation are constantly being corrected? It's strange to say the least.
I don't understand why you write about yourself in the plural.

The first one is called general knowledge and the second is a fact not a contradiction to the first as you wish it to be.

Your answer in my understanding is called casuistry.

Lets get back to the point of your bug report which I still dont see anywhere.

There doesn't seem to be anything to go back to. All explanations are given by me.

[Fla$her]

OPENBAR* is only temporary.

This is understandable. I suggest making the description less ambiguous by replacing "main" with "horizontal".

OPENBAR1 <filename>=-20;Load mainhorizontal button bar from file

And then I will ask for the save option in the suggestions section.

[Sir_SiLvA]

There doesn't seem to be anything to go back to. All explanations are given by me.

You post in the bug forum, one expects a bug report which this thread still lacks.

This is understandable. I suggest making the description less ambiguous by replacing "main" with "horizontal".

And I concur, as theres nothing cryptic about "main button bar" because when someone reads

OPENBAR <filename>=-8;Load button bar from file
OPENBAR1 <filename>=-20;Load main button bar from file
OPENBAR2 <filename>=-21;Load vertical button bar from file

its clear from the context that main = horizontal.
You could complain in your casuistry way that Openbar only loads the vertical bar when its
written in it which you didnt do either.

Once again, the description does not include the "OPENBAR(x)" entry to which I referred, only OPENBAR, OPENBAR1 and OPENBAR2.

There are only those 3 and as everyone of those 3 is different it would not be helpful to write "OPENBAR(x)" in the documentation.

Why point to the creator if errors in the documentation are constantly being corrected?

You yet failed to point to any error in this thread because as i pointed out multiple times it is comon
knowledge that main = horizontal, because it was the first, to which you wrongly claimed
"few people would call the horizontal bar the main one" so I pointed out that even the creator
calls it main button bar. I dont understand why that is so hard to grasp for you.

[Gral]

Directly above the toolbar we have a menu, main menu. It is always MAIN, regardless of which menu file or language is used, regardless of whether it is used permanently or temporarily. The same principle applies to the toolbar.

[Fla$her]

You could complain in your casuistry way that Openbar only loads the vertical bar when its written in it which you didnt do either.

Do you see "Openbar" in the title and description? The rest, I hope, only see "OPENBAR1", oddly enough.
Casuistry so far comes only from you, and now catch the argument from lng, which crosses out all your early theses and emoticons:

141="Do you want to make this button bar the new main button bar? (The main button bar is loaded when Totalcmd is started.)"

=

141="Möchten Sie diesen Buttonbar permanent festlegen?\nEr wird dann bei jedem Start von Total Commander geladen."

There are only those 3 and as everyone of those 3 is different it would not be helpful to write "OPENBAR(x)" in the documentation.

Here I completely agree. It's just not clear why you referenced the wiki with these parentheses.

You yet failed to point to any error in this thread because as i pointed out multiple times it is comon
knowledge that main = horizontal, because it was the first, to which you wrongly claimed

Precisely because it was the first, it is not the main one. It's just illogical.
Your point of view, judging 141=..., is erroneous. And I pointed out just the inconsistency and ambiguity, although you do not see it point-blank.

I dont understand why that is so hard to grasp for you.

You're fixated on habits, not wanting to think logically.
In addition to lng, I can help you with logic by asking a leading question:
Which of the two types of panels should be the main one at startup, if either of them can be either hidden or shown?

[Sir_SiLvA]

You could complain in your casuistry way that Openbar only loads the vertical bar when its written in it which you didnt do either.

Do you see "Openbar" in the title and description? The rest, I hope, only see "OPENBAR1", oddly enough.

There is nothing wrong with the description of OPENBAR1 and thats why I brought up OPENBAR which is the only
thing you could complain in your casuistry way.

There are only those 3 and as everyone of those 3 is different it would not be helpful to write "OPENBAR(x)" in the documentation.

Here I completely agree. It's just not clear why you referenced the wiki with these parentheses.

Sorry cant help with your personal flaws regarding written words.

You yet failed to point to any error in this thread because as i pointed out multiple times it is comon knowledge that main = horizontal, because it was the first, to which you wrongly claimed

Precisely because it was the first, it is not the main one. It's just illogical.

Your understanding of language is flawed and without illogical: main = the first = the horizontal menu bar.
Next you gonna complain why the main menu (which can be hidden contrary to the popup menu) is NOT called top menu... ?

In addition to lng, I can help you with logic by asking a leading question:

Obviously you cant

Which of the two types of panels should be the main one at startup, if either of them can be either hidden or shown?

QED.