File search and Diacritics

[Izibia]

Situation:
- Everything is installed
- "Match diacritics" in Everything is OFF
- TC still matches diacritics within file names in Alt-F7 search

Maybe I am doing something wrong, or this is intended ...?

[Dalai]

Do you have an example?

[Izibia]

Do you have an example?

Image: https://i.postimg.cc/VkYkhrRM/tc-diacritics.jpg

[Dalai]

The TC in your screenshot shows "No files found". Does Everything itself get the same results? If so, I don't see any problem.

[Izibia]

Does Everything itself get the same results? If so, I don't see any problem.

Me too, in such situation I wouldn't see any problem with TC.

But standalone Everything (running besides TC) works as expected, in the same moment when TC fails.
r==r
r==ř
r==ŕ
etc.

I tried several tests within one computer.
TC 11.03 64-bit
Everything 1.4.1.1026 (x64)

[tuska]

Everything 1.5a --- diacritics: - no-diacritics:

diacritics: - no-diacritics - diac: - no-diac:
diacritics:
no-diacritics:
diac:
no-diac:

Match or ignore accent marks.

For example:
diacritics:"Déjà Vu"

Default: Use the Match Diacritics setting under the Search menu.

Everything 1.5.0.1383a (x64)

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Search				Finds
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diacritics:článek.txt		článek.txt
no-diacritics:článek.txt	clanek.txt, článek.txt

Total Commander 11.03 (x64)

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Search				Finds				  My Default			 Check
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ed:diacritics:článek.txt	článek.txt
ed:no-diacritics:článek.txt	clanek.txt, článek.txt

ed:článek.txt			clanek.txt, článek.txt		) Match Diacritics: DISABLED    ) OK
ed:clanek.txt			clanek.txt, článek.txt		) in Everything 1.5.0.1383a x64	) OK

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Search				Finds				 
------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

✅ 'Everything' in TC
článek.txt			článek.txt
clanek.txt			clanek.txt

🔲 'Everything' in TC
článek.txt			článek.txt
clanek.txt			clanek.txt

---

'Everything' 1.5.0.1383a (x64) portable on systemdrive C: | Troubleshooting
Search queries: Total Commander <=> 'Everything' <= Windows Search

[tuska]

Everything 1.4.1.1026 (x64)

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Search				Finds				Context menu <->	Footer
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diacritics:článek.txt		článek.txt			- 			-
článek.txt			článek.txt			Match Diacritics	DIACRITICS
článek.txt			clanek.txt, článek.txt		-			-

Total Commander 11.03 (x64)

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Search				Finds				  My Default			 Check
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ed:diacritics:článek.txt	článek.txt
ed:článek.txt			clanek.txt, článek.txt		) Match Diacritics: DISABLED   ) OK
								) in Everything 1.4.1.1026 x64 ) OK

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Search				Finds
------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

✅ 'Everything' in TC
článek.txt			článek.txt
clanek.txt			clanek.txt

🔲 'Everything' in TC
článek.txt			článek.txt
clanek.txt			clanek.txt

[tuska]

Hi,

- "Match diacritics" in Everything is OFF
- TC still matches diacritics within file names in Alt-F7 search

You can exclude diacritical marks in the search results as follows:

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"Path\" !diacritics:článek.txt

! = NOT
In this case, only e.g. the file: clanek.txt is found.

 

Image: https://i.postimg.cc/VkYkhrRM/tc-diacritics.jpg

As a search result, I would have expected clanek.txt in your image.

Is the drive F: or the folder F:\00\ indexed in Everything?
Everything Options > Indexes > NTFS -or- Folders

Everything Options > Exclude ?

[Izibia]

 

Image: https://i.postimg.cc/VkYkhrRM/tc-diacritics.jpg

As a search result, I would have expected clanek.txt in your image.

Yes. This was the reason why I started this thread.
Everything found clanek.txt článek.txt (corrected), TC didn't.

Is the drive F: or the folder F:\00\ indexed in Everything?
Everything Options > Indexes > NTFS -or- Folders

Everything Options > Exclude ?

The drive was listed among indexed NTFS disks.
"Exclude" was empty.

My doubts:
1) "Automatically include new removable volumes" was off, the searched drive was an USB drive. Still Everyting indexes such disks without my interference and lists them among NTFS volumes, with "Include in database" and "Monitor changes" checked

2) I was curious how Everything could perform (and find results) almost immediately after a new large removable disk was attached. Especially if compared to TC without Everything: TC crawls files quite long

Anyway, I don't understand how TC can perform another way than Everything?

[Izibia]

Everything 1.4.1.1026 (x64)

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Search				Finds				Context menu <->	Footer
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diacritics:článek.txt		článek.txt			- 			-

I thought that Search Modifiers (like diacritics) were expected to work in version 1.5 only?

All search modifiers available in Everything 1.5.

Probably the meaning was "some modifiers are functional in 1.4"?

You can exclude diacritical marks in the search results as follows:

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"Path\" !diacritics:článek.txt

You are talking about TC or Everything? And what represents "Path\" here?

I am sorry, I am not digged in TC and in Everything much.

[tuska]

Image: https://i.postimg.cc/VkYkhrRM/tc-diacritics.jpg

As a search result, I would have expected clanek.txt in your image.

Yes. This was the reason why I started this thread.
Everything found clanek.txt, TC didn't.

If the file ‘clanek.txt’ exists (and not just ‘článek.txt’), then ‘clanek.txt’ should also be found in Total Commander.
This is also confirmed by my test results.
It is interesting that the picture does NOT show a file ‘clanek.txt’. Where (in which path) is this file?
Did you perhaps want to search for ‘clanek.txt’ in TC and expected ‘článek.txt’ as the search result?
Do you find the file ‘clanek.txt’ in TC when you uncheck ‘Everything’ in the ‘Find Files (separate)’ window?

Is the drive F: or the folder F:\00\ indexed in Everything?
Everything Options > Indexes > NTFS -or- Folders

The drive was listed among indexed NTFS disks.

2) I was curious how Everything could perform (and find results) almost immediately
... after a new large removable disk was attached. Especially if compared to TC without Everything: TC crawls files quite long
Anyway, I don't understand how TC can perform another way than Everything?

The search in Everything is INDEXED, but NOT indexed in Total Commander. That's what makes the difference.
A search result in Total Commander - using the ‘Everything’ tool! - can be obtained in real time.
(Everything 1.5a is even faster than Everything 1.4). See also the linked documentation above.

I thought that Search Modifiers (like diacritics) were expected to work in version 1.5 only?

All search modifiers available in Everything 1.5.

Probably the meaning was "some modifiers are functional in 1.4"?

No.
This is just a description of Everything 1.5 Alpha.

You can exclude diacritical marks in the search results as follows:

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"Path\" !diacritics:článek.txt

You are talking about TC or Everything? And what represents "Path\" here?

"Path\" means that you can insert your path here, e.g. "f:\00\" searchtext
This is recommended for those [test] cases in which you want to narrow down the search.

In Everything, the search query is as follows, for example:

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"f:\00\" diacritics:článek.txt

Search result: článek.txt

In Total Commander, the (TC) prefix ed: or ev: is required when using Everything Parameters.
(A description of the respective prefix is available in the linked documentation).

In Total Commander, the search query is as follows, for example:

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ed:diacritics:článek.txt		; e.g. when you are in the TC directory: f:\00\
- OR -
ev:"f:\00\" diacritics:článek.txt

Search result: článek.txt

[ghisler(Author)]

In Total Commander, the (TC) prefix ed: or ev: is required when using Everything Parameters.

This will show you unfiltered results from 'Everything'. If you just make a search without these prefixes and just check the 'Everything' option, TC will filter the returned files according to its own rules.

[Izibia]

Yes. This was the reason why I started this thread.
Everything found clanek.txt, TC didn't.

I am very sorry for the confusion!

I should write
Everything found článek.txt during the search of clanek.txt, TC didn't.
And there was no file with the name clanek.txt

(The original post is corrected now)

I will comment other text later.

[Izibia]

Important news: last time TC worked as expected, identically with Everything.
I will have to find way how to reproduce the issue (my suspicion: several large external disks were connected when the issue arose)

[tuska]

In Total Commander, the (TC) prefix ed: or ev: is required when using Everything Parameters.

This will show you unfiltered results from 'Everything'.
If you just make a search without these prefixes and just check the 'Everything' option,
TC will filter the returned files according to its own rules.

If Everything Parameters, such as diacritics:, are used in Total Commander
it is absolutely necessary to use either the Total Commander prefix ed: or ev:.

I can't see any connection with unfiltered search results of ‘Everything’.
I'm sorry, but I don't understand this statement.

Can you please give an example so that I can try to understand what you meant here?