OT: Moderators = N@zis?

[piranha]

Hello,

We never attacked someone who made a suggestion. We are far from doing this. I haven't attacked you for requesting a checksum. I think I have explained well why there is no checksum. We are open to any arguments why a checksum should be released. But there haven't been any argument so far on this.
The next point I want to address is the language you are using. As you can read in the guidelines insultings are not allowed on this board. I had to remove the insulting words.

Greetings Lefteous (Moderator)

Well,
as you can see I'm mostly lurker on this forum, but since moderators have been introduced I don't post at all. That reminds me of "n@zi" mentaility. For gods sake, Leftous - don't use other ppl posts to say something, have enough of "sanity" to post your own post. It's just rude for you guys to "tell others what they are supposed to say".

Over.

[nevidimka]

2piranha It's obviously you know absolute nothing about

"n@zi" mentaility

, so please don't use such inappropriate comparison.

[klark]

2nevidimka

Full agreement!

[sas2000]

2nevidimka:

Full agreement too !
 

[Wilhelm M.]

The comparison of the moderators with Nazis is unacceptable and most stupid. Either the poster does NOT know what Nazis are - or he/she knows only too well.

[CoMiKe]

I'm one of the people that made complaints when moderation was applied in this Forums, but after some discussion with moderators, I must say it has been a good election and moderators are carrying his work very well.

And, in the same post you can read why moderators write his comments in the same post as the author, I believe you should read, piranha

[pdavit]

2piranha

There is nothing Nazism-istic if sometimes our posts get moderated because we don't follow the forum rules.

Some rules are easy to break because they are of a less strict nature. Because of that, there is also a lot
of tolerance in this forum which is not only good for our freedom of speech rights but also give us too
much freedom if you know what I mean!

BTW, don't forget that moderators get moderated as well.

[Hacker]

piranha,

For gods sake, Leftous - don't use other ppl posts to say something, have enough of "sanity" to post your own post.

The reasons why we do this were well explained in the Post / Thread CoMiKe has linked to. Believe me, there has been quite a discussion how to balance "make our point" vs. "be as little intrusive as possible". This is what we have come up with.

We do not delete posts. We do not change posts (except for the exceptions written in the Guidelines). We do not delete threads. We do not lock threads (except for where we see it as the only solution to calm things down).

On the other hand we must make clear what is allowed and what is not according to the Forum rules and our Guidelines.

We cannot suit everyone. What one considers sarcasm might another consider insult. It is difficult to be the judge, but we try our best.

Last, but not least - we try and follow the Rules and Guidelines, try to do the same, please. If you think there has been an improper moderation, or if you have any other problem with a Moderator, please write a Moderator of your choice and tell him about your concerns. We will listen to you and anyone else and explain our actions, as necessary.

It's just rude for you guys to "tell others what they are supposed to say".

We do not tell other people what they are supposed to say. However, we have to tell people when things they say become unacceptable within the limits of polite behavior. Need to insult eachother? Fine, but use the means of private communication. This is a support forum, not a playground.

Telling people they have crossed the limits is part of being a Moderator. If people would always be polite, there would be no need for any Moderators.

You will not see any Moderator compare anyone to a N@zi, be it with an "@" sign or without.

Greetings
Hacker (Moderator)

[piranha]

Heh..

I don't want to stress over it too much, because there are much funnier things to do in my life.

I am visiting those forums quite frequently, and since some time already. I really enjoyed it, but recently I just feel those forums are not the same.
My comment about mods is based on what I see on other forums that I actively participate in. Moderators are there, but they are not THAT obtrusive as you find here. They do their job, but they are invisible. They do not censor EVERYTHING that you say, or state their opinions privately. If some post is against the rules, it's being deleted and you get explanation privately. That is better solution, becuase it does the job, and nobody makes fun of you (mods comments in your posts).

Speaking of the term used: "n*zi", I see your reaction and I found it surprising. Areas in the world I've been to, use this word as a synonym of fanatic ppl (see Seinfelds "soup ****"). I agree, rules are important, but thinking ONLY about the rules gets you nowhere. Nowhere in the forums I visited mods are THAT bold and visible. They don't give you lecture on what you should do and what you shouldn't. Quick pm to rules and delete the post is the solution used most often.

And again, making comments in my posts will be always insulting. Either delete it, or make your own post. That's it.

I know being mod is a difficult task - different people, different opinions, different backgrounds and nationalities - that doesn't help their jobs. But no moderator should ever talk in so impersonal way as it happens here. I suspect this is done to avoid misunderstandings etc.. But it works in complete opposite way.

Anyway, I'm sorry if I insulted anyone - I'm just expressing my feelings - insult was not my intention.

Back to real life, where nobody edits what I want to say

2Hacker:
If that is what suits you guys, "fine with me" Never gonna break the wall with my head.
Love the software, couldn't live without it - but will need to to find alternate board about TC

[djk]

2piranha

Knowing you from other posts I couldn't believe you wanted to insult anybody, I just thought you had a worse day. And as I see from the above post it really wasn't your intention - that's good.

what I see on other forums that I actively participate in. Moderators are there, but they are not THAT obtrusive as you find here. They do their job, but they are invisible.

You are lucky guy. I also visit some forums and unfortunately I meet many forums where you can see moderators' notes every third post (they also delete whole threads)
Before moderators appeared here I was afraid it would happen here too.
Fortunately, IMHO our moderators do they job really well.

Speaking of the term used: "n*zi", I see your reaction and I found it surprising. Areas in the world I've been to, use this word as a synonym of fanatic ppl

Be really careful with this word. it doesn't sound nice, especially in Europe (I'm from Poland - so I know something about it).

[piranha]

I am from Poland as well, living in States now and travelled around the world during last 5 years. The meaning of this word changed, and I guess there is no reason to stay behind, is there?

[Hacker]

piranha,

They do not censor EVERYTHING that you say

Oh do we censor EVERYTHING that you say? Come on.

If some post is against the rules, it's being deleted and you get explanation privately.

Well, we cannot follow this approach because
a) we have been advised not to delete posts if possible
b) we have to follow the Guidelines that we have agreed on
c) we're not omnipresent, so if there is an insult and 5 replies to it we cannot delete the insulting post and leave the normal replies there
d) PMs are disabled by the admin of this forum
e) it's not that bad when people see that some Moderators are present and that insults are not tolerated

Certainly, it might be worth a try to simply delete posts and send private explanations, however, there are points a), b), c) and d). Also, see last point of this post.

On one of the other forums you visit, this thread might no longer exist.

That is better solution, becuase it does the job, and nobody makes fun of you (mods comments in your posts).

Better is always relative. And there would be better ways to make fun of someone than to put comments in their posts. We do not enjoy posting comments, however, sometimes it has to be done. Some more reasons why we put comments into users' posts are:
a) so that everyone knows what post we refer to
b) so that the user cannot modify his post anymore and say, "what are you guys talking about?"

making comments in my posts will be always insulting. Either delete it, or make your own post.

Imagine someone sees your post but doesn't reply. Then the post is suddenly gone without explanation. What do you think what kind of emails would we get?

Hacker (Moderator)

[norfie]

2piranha Plz read this Godwin's law and maybe you understand the reactions of other ppl.

The thread went to n@zi and died!

[piranha]

Hacker,

it was not targetted specifically to you, so don't take it personally. I just erupted seeing two posts moderated one after another one. That was just this one drop that tipped me off.

I have to respect the rules you guys agreed on, although I do not like them. And sorry to say that, because that forum was full of friendliness and nice atmosphere, I will be rare guest here.

GL

[djk]

2piranha
Of course you can use this word as much as you like. I only wanted to tell you that for many people it still sounds unpleasant.
I've also spent a lot of time travelling (only in Europe) and maybe the meaning of the word has changed but I used to meet it only in context of the II World War and nowadays in context of young short-hair men on the streets who don't like anybody but themselves.

I will be rare guest here.

Sad to hear it