[TC11.51 RC2] Help/History: description of cm_SwitchToNextTab 1

[Dalai]

For example, a store re-opening after renovation doesn't mean that it closed and immediately re-opened the next day.

After the renovation, this is called an opening, not a re-opening.

If the store was open before the renovation it is a reopening. Open > closed > open again, hence reopening. The Cambridge dictionary seems to agree with this definition: https://dictionary.cambridge.org/dictionary/english/reopening

It's impossible to repeat what happens for the first time after renovation.

Why? Let's assume something bad happens during the reopening event after the renovation, forcing the store to close again. But it opens again after a short while with another event. Why should that mean it's impossible to repeat such an event? Sure, you can't exactly repeat/reproduce the same event another time, but it sure can be done in the same spirit.

[Fla$her]

Open > closed > open again, hence reopening. The Cambridge dictionary seems to agree with this definition:

The same is written about restart: "to start something again:".
Will you argue that restart doesn't include closing/completion?

It's impossible to repeat what happens for the first time after renovation.

Why?

Because "for the first time".

[Dalai]

The same is written about restart: "to start something again:".

Of course. The prefix "Re" probably means "do something another time or again". These actions can be repeated once or an arbitrary amount of times. A store can be opened (if it's completely new), it can be reopened once, but it can also be reopened twenty times. The word reopening doesn't specify how often something is opened again, it only defines that something is opened again after it was closed.

The same applies to "restart". Something can be restarted once or an arbitrary amount of times.

Will you argue that restart doesn't include closing/completion?

No, but I don't start tabs. I open them. And I reopen closed tabs. A case could be made for the term "restored". But the word "restart" doesn't matter in this discussion. Since the wording in TC's GUI is "Recently closed tabs", it would be inconsistent to suddenly use the term "restored" in a different place instead.

[Fla$her]

it only defines that something is opened again after it was closed.

Yes, opened, but not reopened.

No, but I don't start tabs. I open them.

My question didn't apply to tabs.

And I reopen closed tabs.

This is the same as saying, "I'm restarting a closed program", even though it's only possible to restart an open one.

But the word "restart" doesn't matter in this discussion.

It was about the analogy of usage, not the equivalence of words.

Since the wording in TC's GUI is "Recently closed tabs", it would be inconsistent to suddenly use the term "restored" in a different place instead.

I don't see a problem. This is about the name of the list, not the recovery command, so there will be no contradiction.

[Dalai]

it only defines that something is opened again after it was closed.

Yes, opened, but not reopened.

No, not opened, but "Opened again" = reopened.

[...] so there will be no contradiction.

I'm sure you know the difference between a contradiction and an inconsistency. I've been referring to the latter.

[petermad]

Hmm, Microsoft Edge, Google Chrome and Mozilla Firefow all use the term: "Reopen closed tab".

[Fla$her]

I've been referring to the latter.

It doesn't matter. There is simply nothing to match here, since the name of the list is not an action.

2petermad
Many browsers use "Undo".

[ghisler(Author)]

However, if "open" were to be used in the descriptions of TC's cm_SwitchToNextTab, I would use "last visited open tab"

Yes, that's what was really bothering me about the above suggestion! "last visited open tab" just makes much more sense!

After the renovation, this is called an opening

Really? Just Google "store reopening".

[ghisler(Author)]

In RC3, I changed it to:

1: always switch to last visited open tab (closed tabs will not be opened again)

[Fla$her]

closed tabs will not be opened again

"again" is redundant, otherwise you may think that the closed tab has already been opened before.

Then this option is better:

1: always switch to last visited open tab (not closed one)

or

1: always switch to last visited tab (doesn't apply to closed tabs)

[petermad]

I think correct English should be:
1: always switch to last visited open tab (not closed ones)

There can be more than one closed tab.

[Fla$her]

There can be more than one closed tab.

The last tab can only be one.

[petermad]

It still has to be plural, from a language perspective, not a logical perspective. "not the closed one" would be correctl language.

Anyway when the sentence starts with: "always switch to last visited open tab" isn't it redundant to add "(not closed one)" an open tab can not be closed.

[Fla$her]

I don't understand this either, but the author hinted above that he needed additional clarification.

[ghisler(Author)]

Since the suggestion with added "open" confused me, I think that it does need clarification. Since "reopen" wasn't liked, I used "open again" instead. It may be redundant, but it's more clear.