TC AntiCracking Policy

[EvilCracker]

2Author:

Hello, one of not easy steps to make a crack (******) release of TC is to unpack it and fix all its hidden control summ checks (I found and fixed 10 checks and it was not easy and quickly). That is why not so many cracking groups release correctly cracked version of TC. But I see you also provide unpacked version of totalcmd.exe, which doesn't check its control summ. So all crackers need is to patch a couple of bytes or public RSA exponent to make a working patch or ****** for TC. Why do you provide unpacked version of TC? Also there is a universal patch available for TC which patches all versions of TC from 5.50 to 6.50. All you need to make it useless is to change some constants which are used for control summ check or change their placement in memory. Also you can use UPX scrambler, I think it will make that universal patcher useless, it will not be able to patch your UPX-packed .exe anymore.
Hope you answer my both questions. Just wondering =)

[Rafal]

Creating stronger protections consumes a lot of time and distracts from creating of new usefull features or fixing bugs.
In the end, the app will still be cracked so what's the point? To give crackers some more fun to play with the app? Pointless IMO.

Anyone who cares about the program, know how much effort author put in making it, will probably buy it. No mather if the app has great or poor protecion from cracking.

[DuQues]

Why bother cracking it anyway?
All you need to do after the date you're supposed to buy it or delete it is hitting 1, 2 or 3.

Just buy it, its not as if it's expensive...

[bollino]

Strange ... now allready crackers complain about to easy cracking programs?

bo*

[EvilCracker]

Just buy it, its not as if it's expensive...

I am from Russia. For Russia it is about 25% - 50% of average month sallary. And it IS expensive.

Strange ... now allready crackers complain about to easy cracking programs?

There is something like a challenge between cracking groups when they release good and hard to crack programs, such as Total Commander. And when there is a unpacked .exe available every lame cracker or newbie group can release Total Commaner =) I want a challenge! =)

[Rafal]

I want a challenge! =)

Go steal some new mercedes model.

[EvilCracker]

Is it supposed to be a nice joke?

[chriss]

Is it supposed to be a nice joke?

yes

back ot:

there is a lot of cracking contests - for example: http://www.passwordportal.net/Cracking_Contests/cracking_contests.html

[bollino]

Just buy it, its not as if it's expensive...

I am from Russia. For Russia it is about 25% - 50% of average month sallary. And it IS expensive.

Strange ... now allready crackers complain about to easy cracking programs?

There is something like a challenge between cracking groups when they release good and hard to crack programs, such as Total Commander. And when there is a unpacked .exe available every lame cracker or newbie group can release Total Commaner =) I want a challenge! =)

a) I know saleries in Eastern Europe - nowerdays they are at least paid monthly But ...

b) TC has _only_ one small 'handycap' in SW-version "press 1,2 or 3" ....
I was working on many PC's with SW-Versions (incl. my own). My descission to buy that program was NOT that limitation (I saw in my life also more or less working cracks or stolen keys). My aim was simple: I wanted to support the author to enshure further development of that (realy great) program - because if everybody just use and nobody pays - it will die ... this is fact. I will not make reclama about TC and Ch.G. - because everybody here knows the qualities of both. But price of TC is no excuse.

c) Challenge? There is no key-generator for TC and was never.This IS a challenge. Cracks are always lame.

d) But do you know, what would be a real challenge for you: Save the money and buy the program - this is something, not every lame cracker or newbie group do.

bo*

PS1: Somebody should cloase that thread - a discussion about cracking does not belong to this forum.
PS2: About Prices - especial in easten europe, one can still discuss in a different threat - but: has anybody an idea, how Ch.G. should handle practicly 'lower' prices in e.g. Russia?
PS3: _I_ have doubts about that EvilCracker is a real Cracker - I see no sence in posting in official forum [use the nfo of your release].

[EvilCracker]

My aim was simple: I wanted to support the author to enshure further development of that (realy great) program - because if everybody just use and nobody pays - it will die ... this is fact.

I would bye it if it costed much less.

c) Challenge? There is no key-generator for TC and was never.This IS a challenge. Cracks are always lame.

There ARE keygenerators in TC. But cuz of TC uses RSA-832 it's impossible to find a private RSA exponent, that is why keygens go with patches, that patch public exponent to make keygenerators possible. And patches are not lame, especially when pure ****** is impossible - patch is the only way. And in TC's case it's not easy even to patch all these checks. So if u say patches are always lame, u just don't know what u say.

d) But do you know, what would be a real challenge for you: Save the money and buy the program - this is something, not every lame cracker or newbie group do.

I have to admit, TC is the program I use most of all (after Windows =), but as I said, it's too expensive for my country.

has anybody an idea, how Ch.G. should handle practicly 'lower' prices in e.g. Russia?

I think it should be disscussed and then russian people will be able to buy it.

PS3: _I_ have doubts about that EvilCracker is a real Cracker - I see no sence in posting in official forum [use the nfo of your release].

It's your right to have doubts but I am a cracker... and if u need it =) I can prove it, but I see no sence in it...

[bollino]

that patch public exponent to make keygenerators possible. And patches are not lame, especially when pure ****** is impossible - patch is the only way. And in TC's case it's not easy even to patch all these checks. So if u say patches are always lame, u just don't know what u say.

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I have to admit, TC is the program I use most of all (after Windows =), but as I said, it's too expensive for my country.

has anybody an idea, how Ch.G. should handle practicly 'lower' prices in e.g. Russia?

a) I do not discuss protection schemes ... and for sure not in public.
b) You can't calc valid keys -> so it's not a ******. To publicate pseudo-keygens has nothing to do with showing you ability to break the protection of a program ... you could publish just a patch and a generated Key with UserName ala "Cracked by EC" -> titel line of TC ... to prove your work.

bo*

[EvilCracker]

b) You can't calc valid keys -> so it's not a ******. To publicate pseudo-keygens has nothing to do with showing you ability to break the protection of a program ... you could publish just a patch and a generated Key with UserName ala "Cracked by EC" -> titel line of TC ... to prove your work.

Can you pls explain this in other words? I don't understand you.

[bollino]

b) You can't calc valid keys -> so it's not a ******. To publicate pseudo-keygens has nothing to do with showing you ability to break the protection of a program ... you could publish just a patch and a generated Key with UserName ala "Cracked by EC" -> titel line of TC ... to prove your work.

Can you pls explain this in other words? I don't understand you.

You can give a proof of you 'cracking abilities' without publishing generators, that imitate a buyed program by displaying a free choiseable name in "about" and titel title-line of the TC-Window. This has nothing to do with "challenge of cracking" and is just deminishing amount of new clients/customers of Ch.G..

TC is living from NEW coustomers, because of it's live-time licence model.

bo*

[EvilCracker]

You don't understand... I am afraid I will not be able to explain. Let's close this discussion, because I wanted to hear something from Ghisler and he doesn't write anything. So the following discussion is meaningless.

[Genghis86]

Where is the non-checksum checking version?