BIG feature request: "Bookmarks" tree pane

[Sir_SiLvA]

@Sir_SiLvA:
I thought you were making jokes when you recommended the directory menu, you weren't or were you?

yes I was

Well, honestly that menu is indeed rather limited and I would not call it an alternative for a bookmark system but more some kind of rudimental navigation system usable only with few entries. It's not even configurable in a reasonable time without additional tools. Have you ever tried to move a subdirectory and/or more than one entry with the built-in dialog?

Sorry but I think who tries to work without wasting time knows how to use a texteditor and how ini-files are build up
(ever tried the Ultra Editors? okay the aktuell Versions has some probs in editing a existing directory hotlist but for creating a new they are good )
And do you wanna tell me that you need more than 1.296 bookmarks ?

A sophisticated bookmark system could maybe realized as a FS plugin for example that reads the input from wincmd.ini. Double clicking an entry would open the boomark in the opposite panel, comparable to using a web browser.

And would waste endless time...
Changing to [\], changing into the plugin, choosing the bookmark....
ie for changing to TC's homedir I press CTRL+D, 1, 9 and Im there...

Perhaps you can go more into the detail why YOU think its limited ?

@eyolf: most tc users are using the keykoard so crtl+d, <key> is perfect for us

[icfu]

Sorry but I think who tries to work without wasting time knows how to use a texteditor and how ini-files are build up

I don't edit ini files to create bookmarks, I have other things to do. We are living in the 21st century, not in the 80s.

And do you wanna tell me that you need more than 1.296 bookmarks ?

The number is irrelevant, the point is comfort.

And would waste endless time...

It was a suggestion for a workaround as ghisler won't do it anyway. Useless to discuss that, he ignores this thread like all threads concerning huge changes that will beam TC into the next century.

Perhaps you can go more into the detail why YOU think its limited ?

I could but I won't because nearly everytime I answer to one of your questions you stop answering for whatever reason so I feel like I am wasting my time. Anorther reason why I have no desires anymore is because this thread is old like *peep*. Please use email notification so you don't miss any answers and can at least give me the impression that you are really interested and not just asking for fun.

In the end I have already explained how I would do it, see my first posting in this thread. Install Opera and see for yourself, sorry.

Icfu

[Sir_SiLvA]

Sorry but I think who tries to work without wasting time knows how to use a texteditor and how ini-files are build up

I don't edit ini files to create bookmarks, I have other things to do. We are living in the 21st century, not in the 80s.

It's only a one-time-Doing after that the build-in-move-items thing is ok...

And do you wanna tell me that you need more than 1.296 bookmarks ?

The number is irrelevant, the point is comfort.

If fact as I was half asleep typing this post the real number is
36*36*36*36*36...

Perhaps you can go more into the detail why YOU think its limited ?

I could but I won't because nearly everytime I answer to one of your questions you stop answering for whatever reason so I feel like I am wasting my time.

Sorry, I thought I better be quiet instead of posting something like "thx 4 explaining"...

Anorther reason why I have no desires anymore is because this thread is old like *peep*. Please use email notification so you don't miss any answers and can at least give me the impression that you are really interested and not just asking for fun.

Im not asking for fun I was serious about the question...

In the end I have already explained how I would do it, see my first posting in this thread. Install Opera and see for yourself, sorry.

Sorry but I dont like Opera - never did somehow - and thanks to firefox I will never have to

[eyolf]

It's only a one-time-Doing after that the build-in-move-items thing is ok...

Do you mean that one can do a one-time-doing thing to create a directory listing of the favorites/hotlist, which then might be displayed in a tab in the left pane? Which could for instance be locked there in a tab together with the root directory tree? And which would automatically reflect new additions to the hotlist? Perhaps even with drag-and-drop?
If so, this would come sufficiently close to what I would like to have (although I agree with whoever said it, that there is enough space on the screen to add a third pane for navigation).
How would I go about to do this? I dl'ed the Ultra Editors, but I haven't really sat down to try it out - a combination of lack of skill and time...

Eyolf

[Sir_SiLvA]

Do you mean that one can do a one-time-doing thing to create a directory listing of the favorites/hotlist, which then might be displayed in a tab in the left pane?

No, its not possible (and Im glad bout this) to display a third tab with whatever content you like...

[eyolf]

Do you mean that one can do a one-time-doing thing to create a directory listing of the favorites/hotlist, which then might be displayed in a tab in the left pane?

No, its not possible (and Im glad bout this) to display a third tab with whatever content you like...

OK. I didn't primarily mean a third pane, though (although I wouldn't mind it), but a way of displaying the hotlist in one of the two panes just like any other directory.
If it's still impossible, I guess I'll just have to settle with that and/or wait for the feature to be included in a future release
Thanks for the reply anyway.

[icfu]

Sorry but I dont like Opera - never did somehow - and thanks to firefox I will never have to

Comparing Opera with Firefox is like comparing Total Commander with Speed Commander, this is my impression when I use it. Firefox is not really comfortable, it not even allows to sort bookmarks alphabetically automatically. You really have to sort every folder manually, this must be some kind of a joke they saved from Netscape 4.7x.
Thank God it's OpenSource, otherwise I would expect to get my money back.

Anyway, Firefox has meanwhile copied some great inventions from Opera like nickname support and I really wonder why you don't use them, you don't even need to install Opera to get a clue how wonderful it is to type "tc" only when you want to go to the Total Commander forum. In the same way you could type "tc" in the TC command line and the view was switched to the TC directory.

No, its not possible (and Im glad bout this) to display a third tab with whatever content you like...

He is talking about a TAB, not a "third tab" (you mean panel here I think...) here.

That tab does no harm to you, you don't even need to use it or even see it but as it is for sure way better than the current Ctrl-D implementation you will use it, I am sure. A flexible pane for bookmarks includes a more sophisticated panel management which will bring us closer to the realization of temporary panels being standard on modern file managers.

Icfu

P.S.:
Ah, eyolf, you already answered to that pane thing. Sorry...

[Hacker]

Firefox is not really comfortable, it not even allows to sort bookmarks alphabetically automatically.

That's what we have extensions for.

Roman

[Sir_SiLvA]

Sorry but I dont like Opera - never did somehow - and thanks to firefox I will never have to

Comparing Opera with Firefox is like comparing Total Commander with Speed Commander, this is my impression when I use it. Firefox is not really comfortable, it not even allows to sort bookmarks alphabetically automatically. You really have to sort every folder manually, this must be some kind of a joke they saved from Netscape 4.7x.
Thank God it's OpenSource, otherwise I would expect to get my money back.

imhuo you cant compare Speed vs Total as Speed is (I dont even know a word how to describe how bad this piece of software is)...
Yeah but as someone who comes from IE I can live with this feature as IE does the same and I allways can say in FF or IE "Sortieren nach Namen"...

Anyway, Firefox has meanwhile copied some great inventions from Opera like nickname support and I really wonder why you don't use them, you don't even need to install Opera to get a clue how wonderful it is to type "tc" only when you want to go to the Total Commander forum.
In the same way you could type "tc" in the TC command line and the view was switched to the TC directory.

The Idea is nice but you cant compare a filemanager with a browser
(aside from the probs that will rise building this in...)

No, its not possible (and Im glad bout this) to display a third tab with whatever content you like...

He is talking about a TAB, not a "third tab" (you mean panel here I think...) here.

yeah (sorry i tabbing to much with ff )

That tab does no harm to you, you don't even need to use it or even see it but as it is for sure way better than the current Ctrl-D implementation you will use it, I am sure. A flexible pane for bookmarks includes a more sophisticated panel management which will bring us closer to the realization of temporary panels being standard on modern file managers.

I still don't see how a Tab where all Bookmarks are listed can be better than CTRL+D ?
(Sure the way of creating this menu could/should be more comfortable...)

[icfu]

@Hacker:
Extensions to be able to sort bookmarks automatically?
Wow, what a great idea. I wonder why they deliver the browser with an addressbar at all, you could do that by an extension, too, right?

Well, foxies are masochisms, I knew that.

Icfu

[icfu]

Yeah but as someone who comes from IE I can live with this feature as IE does the same and I allways can say in FF or IE "Sortieren nach Namen"...

Well, if you have a plugin as we just learned now, otherwise you have to sort each folder manually. Have fun doing that with hundreds of folders.

The Idea is nice but you cant compare a filemanager with a browser
(aside from the probs that will rise building this in...)

Why not? Browsers browse websites, file managers browse folders, both addressable by URI.
The comparability is pretty obvious here.

yeah (sorry i tabbing to much with ff )

I prefer voicing with Opera.

I still don't see how a Tab where all Bookmarks are listed can be better than CTRL+D ?
(Sure the way of creating this menu could/should be more comfortable...)

(Sure the way of creating this menu could/should be more comfortable...) says it (nearly) all.

I am repeating myself:

- Drag&drop support
- Click link in the left panel => see result in the right panel, just like when using browsers or Explorer, very intuitive
- ability to sort bookmarks in hierarchical trees with natural expanding, just like Ctrl-F8
- nickname support

Icfu

[Hacker]

Extensions to be able to sort bookmarks automatically?
Wow, what a great idea. I wonder why they deliver the browser with an addressbar at all, you could do that by an extension, too, right?

I am sure you prefer a bloated all-in-one solution.

Roman

[Sir_SiLvA]

Well, if you have a plugin as we just learned now, otherwise you have to sort each folder manually. Have fun doing that with hundreds of folders.

Sorry but I dont need the complete internet in my bookmarks...

Why not? Browsers browse websites, file managers browse folders, both addressable by URI.
The comparability is pretty obvious here.

Sorry if you don't see the difference between websites and a filesystem I can't help you ;-P

- Drag&drop support

I thought we are talking about effective working with tc? using the mouse isnt effective imhuo...

- Click link in the left panel => see result in the right panel, just like when using browsers or Explorer, very intuitive

If you real want a tab with all your shortcut do it this way:
- create a folder called boookmarks
- set this tab to locked
- throw your folderbookmarks into it
- not at nice as it could be but a way to work...

[icfu]

I am sure you prefer a bloated all-in-one solution.

The funny thing is that although Opera is an all-in-one solution it is still 50% smaller than Firefox which can do not really much OOTB besides making my life harder.
Actually it's even unfair to compare Opera with Firefox because only the full blown Mozilla suite includes an email, news and IRC client.

So, if I have to decide between a resource hog coming in a huge package and a lightweight app containing everything from the start my decision is the resource hog.

Icfu

[icfu]

@Sir_Silva:

Sorry but I dont need the complete internet in my bookmarks...

Arguments for sale?

Sorry if you don't see the difference between websites and a filesystem I can't help you ;-P

Oh, come on...

I thought we are talking about effective working with tc? using the mouse isnt effective imhuo...

I thought that you are open-minded?

I don't continue the discussion like that, sorry. Have fun with your keyboard but try out the nicknames, this IS a keyboard feature and there is nothing faster, just forget using antique hotkeys or cursor fiddling.

Icfu