TC 7 request: Show icons in menus

majkinetor · Post by *majkinetor » 2005-12-01, 11:36 UTC

Hej icfu, you are getting better and better every day.

metaphysics, metaphysics....
Who told you, Squire, that you are talented for that.
Your words are not empty, but are based on wrong axioms... which inevitable leads to wrong conclusions.

Wilhelm M. · Post by *Wilhelm M. » 2005-12-01, 11:46 UTC

Would you, please, explain the term "wrong axioms"?

A conclusion can be wrong, alright. But an axiom? Does that follow the line: my axiom is right, yours is wrong?

Okay, let's drop that stupid thing, before I must admit that Icfu was right from the start

Which I never would do, of course

majkinetor · Post by *majkinetor » 2005-12-01, 12:06 UTC

Would you, please, explain the term "wrong axioms"?

As you may now, axiomes are facts that doesn't need proofes. Which is not because they are so logical but because we choosed so. Some think that very definition of an axiom can be understood as it's proof.
We choose axiomes, as a basic building blocks for our theormes (conclusions). If you did not choose wisely, then your whole theory is crap. BECOUSE, it is based on wrong axiomes. And if your axiomes are WRONG then all your conclusions are WRONG:
0 and x = 0, x in [0,1]

... before I must admit that Icfu was right from the start Which I never would do, of course

... and this is your failure.

It also shows many things about your personality.

majkinetor · Post by *majkinetor » 2005-12-01, 12:52 UTC

@ Squire

I have to say that I find it hard to buy the received wisdom that a symbol is inherently always superior to its textual equivalent.

Dualism is strange beast. Things are not extreme in nature but are in fine tuning between its extremes. In this case, not text, not icons, but text and icons TOGETHER.

If we were as object-orientated as we're led to believe

We are. Its because you are surounded with objects all your life. Everything has beginning, has end, and, in most cases you know how to interface with any object around you.

You don't have things in real life around you like, matrix, singularities, infinity dimensions etc... so you don't understand that very well.

The main thing here is to recognize that it is true for this planet only, for Earth. As long as you live in this microcosmos it will be like that. Newton. Euclid.

But if you get out, prepare your self for "objects" of other kind.

Post by *ghisler(Author) » 2005-12-01, 14:24 UTC

The speed problem exists mainly with the user-defined (starter) menu, where TC would have to extract the icons e.g. from exe files. Some kind of caching would be needed for such a menu. All menus would also have to be owner-drawn, so they would no longer look like normal menus.

Lefteous · Post by *Lefteous » 2005-12-01, 14:31 UTC

2ghisler(Author)

The speed problem exists mainly with the user-defined (starter) menu, where TC would have to extract the icons e.g. from exe files. Some kind of caching would be needed for such a menu.

A good command manager knows when it's time to update the cache.

All menus would also have to be owner-drawn, so they would no longer look like normal menus.

Based on stickynomads fake screenshot I think the menus should look like normal menus beside that there is an icon on left side of each menu item. It's not really difficult to imitate the normal menu appearance.

majkinetor · Post by *majkinetor » 2005-12-01, 14:40 UTC

In Delphi 7 U don't have to use overdrown menu to use icons... just connection betwen iconlist and menu is needed, and images will be automaticaly asigned by index. Maybe you can import some of this controls in Delphi 2 if it is possible... I don't know anything about Delphi 2 though.

@ Leftious
You are a real help. The moderator worth its job.
I have seen so much rationalim only in a woman.
Are you a woman lefti ? You also have that kind of sentence "compression" typical for some cyber pank writers....

Post by *ghisler(Author) » 2005-12-01, 14:45 UTC

In Delphi 7 U don't have to use overdrown menu to use icons... just connection betwen iconlist and menu is needed, and images will be automaticaly asigned by index. Maybe you can import some of this controls in Delphi 2 if it is possible... I don't know anything about Delphi 2 though.

Probably Delphi 7 does the owner-drawing there. I could switch to Delphi 7 (I already own it), but then I would have to drop 16-bit support.

majkinetor · Post by *majkinetor » 2005-12-01, 15:05 UTC

Don't drop 16 bit support. Just don't do it any more. Live it there to be downloaded if somebody ever needs it.
16 bit will be history very very soon. For developer is crutial to make a line about such things, it saves time. 16bit systems are old and they will probably not need any of advanced functions that newer versions of TC wil have.

Also, tell us, how many users are still downloading 16bit version. That may change some points of view.

Wilhelm M. · Post by *Wilhelm M. » 2005-12-01, 15:07 UTC

And what about a compromise? Add icons to menus EXCEPT the starter menu? If the speed problem does only affect that menu?
And - as stated already by others - it is not necessary to add an icon to each and every menu point. Even if only the most frequently used items were "highlighted" by an icon, the menus would be far more structured.

majkinetor · Post by *majkinetor » 2005-12-01, 15:10 UTC

No compromise about that. Start menu icons are most important since that menu is about user.
I had to use resource hacker to change icons in EditPlus user menus because I couldn't do it any more. Don't make us do the same in this case. Icon cache is simple thing to do.

Also, it doesn't have to be programs icon. Just an option to set icon will be enough.

Wilhelm M. · Post by *Wilhelm M. » 2005-12-01, 15:11 UTC

majkinetor wrote:Also, it doesn't have to be programs icon. Just an option to set icon will be enough.

Full support!

StickyNomad · Post by *StickyNomad » 2005-12-01, 15:15 UTC

2Wilhelm M.

Add icons to menus EXCEPT the starter menu?

Hm, that's a compromise I wouldn't be satisfied with completely, as especially the Starter menu could have a lot of entries of many different kinds and therefore it would be a great usability improvement to have the possibility to set icons there. But it's better to have icons optionally available in all menues except the starter menue than to have no icons at all.

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2majkinetor
Well, I was too late, you already stated my point

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majkinetor · Post by *majkinetor » 2005-12-01, 15:23 UTC

Hej.. this became stupid long time ago

Conclusion:
We want icons. Everywhere. By default just somewhere but generaly availalbe everywhere. That is it.

Hacker, close this topic now, cmon boy

Stance · Post by *Stance » 2005-12-01, 15:42 UTC

...wait for me!

In some places of the world the 16Bit Version is wide spreaded and still needed.
All of us know Christian Ghisler as a generous man, he could release the 16Bit Version as freeware.
There is a 64Bit version to come.

Startermenu, Total Commander Main menu, why to seperate it?
Someday TC Main menu could show mixed entrys and commands inside it.

Kind regards
Stance