Suggestion: Mouse Gestures ...

[gbo]

Or try lynx

[majkinetor !]

Flint

I am using Opera from version 3.
Can you create me a video in which you will quote icfu from this page and add a shocking image via keayboard.

[majkinetor !]

>>Or try lynx
I did .

Anyway, this keyboard problem reminds me on something I want to do for a long period of time. I imagine to create app that will replace standard TAB behavior with the one in which TAB will itereate throught elements only on part of the screen that is visible. So for instance, in large HTML documents I could use PAGE DOWN to scrol to the page with the link I want to use and then to press tab several times to access that link. Maybe even some modifier to access different parts of screen, like pressing CTRL TAB will use first quadrant of the screen....

But, this may be not so easy to do. You wanna join me Flint ?!

[Flint]

majkinetor !

Can you create me a video in which you will quote icfu from this page and add a shocking image via keayboard.

Unfortunately, I have neither time, nor software for that. But just press Ctrl+B and you'll get help on all Opera hotkeys. So, to perform your task I can:
1. Navigate with Ctrl/Shift+Up/Down/Left/Right keys to the icfu's post, to the "quote" button and press Enter. A page with the form of replying will open, and all the message is quoted there.
2. With TABs go to the text edit field and write the reply.
3. Press Ctrl+Up - this will move focus out of the edit field to the block of smilies. With the same Ctrl+Up/Down keys navigate to the smiley you need and press Enter - this will add the smiley into the edit field and move the cursor there. (Entering the text ':shocking:' will be much faster and easier however ).
4. With TABs switch to the Submit button and press Enter.

That's all.

But, this may be not so easy to do. You wanna join me Flint ?!

I wanna do so much things that I would have to live at least ten lifes to do all these things! But I have too little free time for that...

[majkinetor !]

hej Flint.

that Shift Up/Down is really acting like I described. It jumps only to links visible to screen.

Thank you for that.

I wanna do so much things that I would have to live at least ten lifes to do all these things!

I know exactly what you are talking about

I wich you greatest things for that sentence.

[spikey]

majkinetor !

For instance, If you tell me how to browse Internet with keyboard I will be very happy...

Try Opera, and you will be able to!
Though it's not easier than mouse even in this browser, but it's possible in principle: navigate through links, save/open/browse links and so on - Opera allows to do all this with keyboard.

I reckon Flint is right.

Opera introduced special keyboard commands for navigating web pages. I think it was in Opera 7 where they first appeared and they go by the fancy name of "spatial navigation".

In truth you can not browse absolutely every single thing on the Net with spatial nav (how could you?) but it is remarkably effective.

Opera is absolutely heaving almost to the point of bursting with various keyboard commands (I count something over 200 keyboard commands from different key combinations for browsing and that is we exclude mail or usenet key combos).

Personally,I don't use spatial nav as I prefer Opera's mouse gestures.

Spikey

[spikey]

2spikey

Hello !

Using a mouse is for beginners.

Then they graduate to keyboard commands.

Then they graduate to mouse stroke commands.

• No, no, and no ! This is quite false !
• I'm not specially a beginner, and I use mainly the mouse and the button-bars intensively everyday.
- And I'm not the only !

- You can find here some professionals at computing using the mouse.
- Personally, I have indeed some (light but painful) handicaps that bore me a lot, and being rather normal except this, I have only two hands (damaged, though) and ten fingers… So, the mouse is better and faster for me, with Drag & Drop I don't use dialogues for each operation…

- If you think :  “I'm an expert since I use the keyboard”, you are completely wrong…

 KR
Claude
Clo

Hey Clo. Chill out my good man.

I am speaking in general terms.

And I think i am right in general terms. Beginners use a mouse as a relatively large proportion of their keyboard work. They love the WIMPS interface. They like the buttons and the overlapping windows. They like to see windows get dragged and dropped. They like the icon-based toolbars (I hate them).

Then they learn where the keys are on the keyboard and they slowly learn the conventional assignments given to the function key. Oooh how did you do that?" they ask when you use WINKEY+E or WINKEY+BREAK. When they think they are getting good they start to learn shortcut keys. Hey, soon they learn hotkeys and how to write their own command keys.

They are now in the realm of being a superfast 2-finger typist and think they have no need for anything else in the interface. Then one day they hear about mouse gestures. Pooo! Not for me. Mouse? That's for noobies. They try a few mouse gesture but stil don't get it. And then one day they persist and come to realise that with one flick of the wrist you can open a new browser page and with another you can call Google that they start to have a good look. They launch applications with loops and figures of 8. The close browser file trees with short nudges. Once they have customized a lot of mouse commands to suit their own needs then they are often very pleased with them.

StrokeIt is freeware and it is quite good but it has only a little documentation on how to get started and how to create custom commands.

http://www.tcbmi.com/strokeit/

There are other products too like Niftymouse but ISTR it is not properly complete.

However things like Ultramouse which is a Windows mouse driver with stroke commands added on are not so impressive.

But of course even though I couldn't live without mouse stroke shortcuts I still use the keyboard too. In fact they say as you get older you prefer the keyboard as it is easier than accurately placing a mouse on a little square on a screen! Heh!

http://www.businessweek.com/1999/99_04/art04/bw0437.jpg
Just to digress (switch off if this is boring!) Doug Engelbart, the inventor of the mouse at Xerox PARC said he made a big mistake in giving the Apple Mac mouse only one button. Too bad fellas! Gimme as many buttons as you have got.

Good guy, Doug. One of my heroes. He never enforced his patents on the mouse but instead let it be used freely by the computing community.

About 5 or 10 years ago meanwhile, British Telecom thought they had found an old patent on the "mouse click" itself to activate a hyperlink. WHAT! GIMME A BREAK. They lost their application for rights to charge everyone for that. Phew! Can you imagine the ensuing uproar?

End of useless digression.

Spikey

[SQUIRE]

An evenly-distributed mix of mouse and keyboard activity would be advisable if you want to avoid the possibility of nerve damage.

Prolonged use of the mouse can lead to painful 'mouse shoulder', and numbness, tingling and pain in the hand (carpal tunnel syndrome) may be your reward for excessive keyboard bashing.

So, use both KB shortcuts AND mouse gestures - they're not mutually exclusive.

After all, you wouldn't like to add to your 'Ipod finger' and 'SMS thumb' problems, now would you?

[icfu]

And beware of the voice feature in Opera too, it can result in severe hoarseness.

Icfu

[frenky]

For me, if such feature were to exist in TC it should most definitly be turned off by default.

[spikey]

An evenly-distributed mix of mouse and keyboard activity would be advisable if you want to avoid the possibility of nerve damage.

Prolonged use of the mouse can lead to painful 'mouse shoulder', and numbness, tingling and pain in the hand (carpal tunnel syndrome) may be your reward for excessive keyboard bashing.

So, use both KB shortcuts AND mouse gestures - they're not mutually exclusive.

After all, you wouldn't like to add to your 'Ipod finger' and 'SMS thumb' problems, now would you?

Hello Squire, yes I would agree.

Everyone should be evenly balanced - just like me.

You can see my good judgement and perfect poise in my eyes: http://tinyurl.com/z8l3e That pic was taken last year so it is a little out of date.

Of course those who disagree with my ideas are all unbalanced. Like the gun-toting dysfunctional weirdo in this picture http://tinyurl.com/pqyrn

Spikey

[majkinetor !]

You obviously don't know that lazy humor, off topics, and evenly balanced people are forbiden in this forum. I suggest you to delete your sentences before ghhhhhiiiss..... huh.... the man which name we don't speak, arives...

[SQUIRE]

Everyone should be evenly balanced - just like me.

Indeed they should. And as icfu kindly pointed out, shouting loudly at the TC Help system (which we all know is state-of-the-art and may contain nuts) is nicht allowed by Health & Safety. This helps keep one's laughing-gear in prime condition.

That pic was taken last year so it is a little out of date.

Not at all, not at all, my dear spikey. The resemblance is perfectly remarkable, I'd even go so far as to say astonishing! In fact you haven't aged a day since you were last exhumed.

[Mikey Boy]

Quite a surprise ... I started this thread over a year ago and thought that it was completely forgotten ...

I did try StrokeIt last year but found it lacking. The integration of mouse gestures into the Maxthon browser (IMHO) is far superior.

There's been quite a few philosophical posts on the topic of mouse vs. keyboard ... I have used Maxthon as my primary browser for a few years and this has made me appreciate the fuctionality and ease of mouse gestures, philosophical reservations aside ...

I'd suggest that if you are of an open mind, visit the Maxthon site http://www.maxthon.com/features.htm which has a nice overview of this functionality.

I think that adding this type of functionality in TC would definitely enhance it.

Best,
Mike

[spikey]

Quite a surprise ... I started this thread over a year ago and thought that it was completely forgotten ...

I did try StrokeIt last year but found it lacking. The integration of mouse gestures into the Maxthon browser (IMHO) is far superior.

There's been quite a few philosophical posts on the topic of mouse vs. keyboard ... I have used Maxthon as my primary browser for a few years and this has made me appreciate the fuctionality and ease of mouse gestures, philosophical reservations aside ...

I'd suggest that if you are of an open mind, visit the Maxthon site http://www.maxthon.com/features.htm which has a nice overview of this functionality.

I think that adding this type of functionality in TC would definitely enhance it.

Best,
Mike

There wer not many mouse gestures listed for Maxthon. I guess that this http://www.maxthon.com/guide/en/ch02.htm is the full list.

Even Opera has more. http://www.opera.com/features/mouse/

And StrokeIt has many more http://www.tcbmi.com/strokeit/actions.shtml?app=files/All%20Symbols.cfg although, just as you say, it is not integrated with any specific app.

However I use StrokeIt a lot. I defined some custom gestures for Windows Explorer and maybe I should adapt some of them to TC. Just ordinary things like "up one level" and "open search" and "back to previous open directory"

StrokeIt's main problem is the almost non-exististent installation notes and also the user support community is not really organised.

Spikey