[OT]

Post by *ghisler(Author) » 2006-11-23, 13:16 UTC

It doesn't matter how you interfere with the protection of a program, fact is that your circumvent it. For the user it makes no difference.

majkinetor ! · Post by *majkinetor ! » 2006-11-23, 13:31 UTC

You are wrong and you know you are wrong.

This is part of conversation I had about this topic with person who knows a bit more about those things.

Conversation between me and Person X (nick is hidden as I don't want to state his identity) wrote:person X: you are right, it's completely legal
Iit would also be legal if you patch the nagscreen away in memory by a script every time starting..

majkientor: well..
don't know about that
it is messing with TC internal memory structures (like Loaders do)

person X: yes, but it works only with a copy of the program and not the program itself. It's legal (in austria and germany, don't know other countries laws), that's why I like memory-patching

majkinetor: oh I will reference this on the forum

person X: maybe I find some link to prove my statement.

http://www.worldofspectrum.org/EmuFAQ2000/EmuFAQ_M2P2.htm wrote:The gist of the MiTek case is that ANY command structure for ANY program is a generic concept and therefore cannot be protected by copyright. That includes menus, options screens, and the like - in short, a program's entire command structure. Since a program command structure cannot be copyrighted, then it is perfectly legal to make a menu patch for it.
So does this mean that all menu patches are now legal? Yes. They always have been, and always will be.

TC help wrote:Under modifications is understood the changing, adding or removing of any files of this package without the author's written permission

Post by *ghisler(Author) » 2006-11-23, 13:46 UTC

It's my forum and I don't want to have any posts in it describing how to use TC for free without the splash screen, period. If you cannot live with that, go elsewhere. I cannot prevent you from distributing your crack script as well as I cannot prevent the distribution of any other cracks, but I can forbid you to put it on MY servers in MY forum. I make a living with this program, and if you continue with your tries to ruin my existance, then you will have to face the consequences.

majkinetor ! · Post by *majkinetor ! » 2006-11-23, 13:53 UTC

You should add your latest statemen to forum rules then
http://ghisler.ch/board/viewtopic.php?p=2#2

Currently I didn't do anything officialy illegal for you to freak out. You can just call this open minded.

and if you continue with your tries to ruin my existance

?

I can not ruin your existance with current licence statements as it is legal to use automatition script only for period of 30 days. After that you will still have to pay it. So, you are accusing me to ruin your shareware period ?!

Maybe its time to appoligize for banning me before without real reason since you never did so. You ruined months of my hard efforts trying to help evolution of TC community.

Alextp · Post by *Alextp » 2006-11-23, 14:22 UTC

2majkinetor

As Ghisler announced that trial versions of TC can be used without registration if you want to go along with splash screen, I see that this means that it is completely legal to use automatition software to click the right 1|2|3 button for

As I thought first, this is not quite logical... (Ghisler thinks this too...)
Even if it's allowed to use software by pressing 123 at splash screen, you can not conclude that this sort of tool will be legal. Imagine the exe that do the same without showind splash screen at all: of course Ghisler will prohibite it and you know it. So why are you risking to do the same but in AHK form?

Of course it's illegal...

Good that you have other usefull AHK scripts to write...

majkinetor ! · Post by *majkinetor ! » 2006-11-23, 14:32 UTC

I inform you, Mr. Ghisler that you might face the consequences of your acts (deleting my post), depending on my will and mood and your future actions.

http://www.threadwatch.org/node/115

In a nutshell, the posting member owns the copyright unless the member is in your employ for the purpose of posting on these boards.

One simple "I am sorry for banning you" will fix many things between us. Also, my "majkinetor" member account should be unblocked. I miss the cow.

2Alex
I provided enough documents for public (and so, you) to reserach legality of my actions. This have nothing to do with your logic or ghislers logic. It is perfectly logical, btw, to me and to the rest of the logical world. Exe, script or whatever doesn't make a difference. It is still legal.

Post by *Hacker » 2006-11-23, 15:22 UTC

majki,

I inform you, Mr. Ghisler that you might face the consequences of your acts (deleting my post), depending on my will and mood and your future actions.

Hey, cool! Me, too?

Roman

Alextp · Post by *Alextp » 2006-11-23, 15:29 UTC

2majkinetor !

It is perfectly logical, btw, to me and to the rest of the logical world. Exe, script or whatever doesn't make a difference.

No. It's not. I saw your documents presented to public.
They are all irrelevant...

This have nothing to do with your logic or ghislers logic.

This have smth to do with Ghisler's moderation. He can delete your posts, I think - he's moderator. And Hacker (Slovakia) too.

majkinetor ! · Post by *majkinetor ! » 2006-11-23, 15:37 UTC

Hacker wrote:Hey, cool! Me, too?

Not you. I react only on humans and certan animals. Anyway, your moderations were according to forum rules so far and you did delete just 1 of my posts that was insulting (thus breakin the forum rule), others were just moved around as you can't find better way to fun yourself except hunting [OT] posts

This have smth to do with Ghisler's moderation. He can delete your posts, I think - he's moderator.

Maybe, but again, maybe not. Also, deleted post is one thing, and legality of script is another.

No. It's not. I saw your documents presented to public.
They are all irrelevant...

So, the question is this second time:

What rule did I break?

That is, U should provide some relevant formalisation instead of "I think this, I think that.."

Alextp · Post by *Alextp » 2006-11-23, 15:43 UTC

Maybe, but again, maybe not. Also, deleted post is one thing, and legality of script is another.

Yes: legality of script may exist. I mean, you, maybe, don't break any of *current* rules (official rules, licence).

majkinetor ! · Post by *majkinetor ! » 2006-11-23, 15:48 UTC

I didn't break any licence rule or any forum rule. Automatition script will also be leagl in future as of "Since a program command structure cannot be copyrighted, then it is perfectly legal to make a menu patch for it.". Ghisler can not change this, in international measures, he can only change rules on this server so that in forum rules it states that posting automatition scripts to speed up TC nag screen is forbiden on the forum

Also, if he deleted my post witch is perfectly legal, it comes that he can delete ANY post just cuz it does sound illegal in his head. I know this is his server but this probably falls under protection of certain "freedom of speach" rights. I am not sure about this and if I find more information about "Who owns the posted stuff" I will certanly publish them here.

rolandd · Post by *rolandd » 2006-11-23, 15:54 UTC

The question of legality is not the one to be discussed. Sure it is legal, otherwise you wouldn't do it. You know just as well as anybody else that you would be kicked/banned whatever if it would be illegal. It is simply a matter of respect.

majkinetor ! · Post by *majkinetor ! » 2006-11-23, 16:43 UTC

Yup, rolandd, you are right

It is simply matter of respect.

I respected Ghisler first time I came here until he banned me for no reason after several months of voluntering here with extensive help, suggestions and bug discovery, so it appears respect is first breaken long time in the past.

Thats why I ask for simple "I am sorry" and nothing more so we can continue as nothing happend.

Post by *ghisler(Author) » 2006-11-23, 16:57 UTC

You know very well why you have been banned for the first time!

Posting your script here is in its effect the same as posting a crack, so the situation isn't different. No software author will tolerate a crack on his site.

norfie² · Post by *norfie² » 2006-11-23, 17:49 UTC

2majkinetor !
It's not a question of legality or something like that. It's a question of good manners. Please would you be so kind as to stop this useless discussion and similar posts. Thanks.

I know this is his server but this probably falls under protection of certain "freedom of speach" rights. I am not sure about this and if I find more information about "Who owns the posted stuff" I will certanly publish them here.

Same here. It's not a question of legality. Christian Ghisler is allowed to ban any user and to delete any post/threads without any reason: that's the legal stuff. It's only a question of his good manner that he doesn't do such arbitrariness.