Ultimate File Manager 12.6 (April 2025) [Total Commander with predefined apps/plugins and settings]

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Re: Ultimate File Manager [Total Commander with predefined apps/plugins and settings]

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Pawel wrote: 2024-06-06, 05:58 UTC How do you like UFM project?
Negative. Who needs it? Moreover, the programs, are there really those who don’t use the winget?
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Re: Ultimate File Manager [Total Commander with predefined apps/plugins and settings]

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I feel that you are consistently pressuring people to make donations, which is concerning. You mention "It costs real money!" What exactly incurs these costs? Are they related to licenses or is it compensation for your time for which you pay no income taxes? Could you provide a breakdown of your expenses and demonstrate how the donations have been utilized?
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Re: Ultimate File Manager [Total Commander with predefined apps/plugins and settings]

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KozakMak wrote: 2024-06-06, 09:30 UTC
Pawel wrote: 2024-06-06, 05:58 UTC How do you like UFM project?
Negative. Who needs it? Moreover, the programs, are there really those who don’t use the winget?
Thank you for your comment. However, I see you don't use it. Let it be.
I don't use Winget. I remind you that only UFM MEGAPack has a bunch of external applications. UFM basic is just an extended pack for TC.
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Re: Ultimate File Manager [Total Commander with predefined apps/plugins and settings]

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white wrote: 2024-06-06, 10:51 UTC I feel that you are consistently pressuring people to make donations, which is concerning. You mention "It costs real money!" What exactly incurs these costs? Are they related to licenses or is it compensation for your time for which you pay no income taxes? Could you provide a breakdown of your expenses and demonstrate how the donations have been utilized?
Thank you for your comment. You raised an important issue. Donations. Indeed - I do ask for donation. Is that really bad?

UFM is a free project - for everyone. It is done in my free time. You don't have to pay, just use it if you want. Your choice. Your choice to support developer or not. It is amatour project - I can not offer support or any other pro services - but I really do my best.

But it's unfair when someone writes that it costs nothing. It costs my time! Time is money. I see only a few people can understand it.
All money from donations are used to pay for Internet and phone bills, barely (of course, I could prepare some report - and I already did it in the past on my website - but nobody cares). Why I post this message today? Yes, because donation from 1 (max 3) person per month is just not enough. What are my options? I can abandon project, still make it for free and fun or ask for some help? What would you choose?

UFM will be developed, I got some ideas and I have no intention of giving up...
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Re: Ultimate File Manager [Total Commander with predefined apps/plugins and settings]

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Pawel wrote: 2024-06-06, 12:02 UTC You raised an important issue. Donations. Indeed - I do ask for donation. Is that really bad?
Not at all, but I take issue with the way you ask for donations.
Pawel wrote: 2024-06-06, 12:02 UTC UFM is a free project - for everyone. It is done in my free time. You don't have to pay, just use it if you want. Your choice. Your choice to support developer or not. It is amatour project - I can not offer support or any other pro services - but I really do my best.

But it's unfair when someone writes that it costs nothing. It costs my time! Time is money.
This is where I think you are wrong. It is completely fair if people don't make donations, just as it is completely fair if you abandon the project because you feel you don't receive enough donations.
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Re: Ultimate File Manager [Total Commander with predefined apps/plugins and settings]

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If your tool provided something not offered from other tools, many users would spend some money.
This works, look at tools like Everything.
In your case, experienced users can do what your package provides with TC and plugins themselves
while normal users don't need it urgently.
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Re: Ultimate File Manager [Total Commander with predefined apps/plugins and settings]

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Pawel wrote: 2024-06-06, 11:39 UTC I don't use Winget.
See, that's the problem. Your approach to software is extremely outdated and also poses critical security risks.

With winget user can install the necessary programs in one line: winget install Notepad++.Notepad++ clsid2.mpc-hc
...and keep them up to date update easy: winget upgrade --all

You suggest waiting until you deign to find your “precious time” so that the user can download this entire MEGA pack. 10 years ago this would have been “ok”, but now it’s not.
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Re: Ultimate File Manager [Total Commander with predefined apps/plugins and settings]

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Pawel wrote: 2024-06-06, 12:02 UTC Indeed - I do ask for donation. Is that really bad?

UFM is a free project - for everyone. It is done in my free time. You don't have to pay, just use it if you want. Your choice. Your choice to support developer or not.
To be blunt: yes, it IS bad because compared for example to irfanview you are NOT a developer that creates something.

Secondly you trying to profit of Chris work by asking for donation s just feels wrong imho.
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Re: Ultimate File Manager [Total Commander with predefined apps/plugins and settings]

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Thank you guys for disscussion!
At least now I know what some of you think. It seems this package is not for you. Free will. I stand that if someone want to use it, finds something for him he can use it. And if he like it - he can donate. I don't force anyone. Experienced users can do everything UFM do by themselves, but there are some people who like to get final product with all stuff.

About winget - I know what is it and how it works. I can not implement it as this is not what I want in UFM. As I said before, you can install UFM without any external apps. Well designed and consistant package (in my opinion) to manage your files and applications (in future UFM App Manager will let much more to manage your applications).

Finally, I do not agree that I create nothing. Are you sure? Are you sure spending thousands of hours on project is nothing? Btw, I prefer XnView.
Profit of Chris work? Really? You could have skipped these words... I do respect Chris and all his work. But, if I ask for donation - it is for my time and product I give you. I should not even comment it...
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Re: Ultimate File Manager [Total Commander with predefined apps/plugins and settings]

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Hi Pawel, I'm pretty sure you are hard working on your project. But your first today's post showed some kind of frustration of being underrated. You may have dreamed about getting rich by making another TC bundle. Look for it from other people's perspective. The project has some minor unique improvements compared to other bundles, but there are too many sentences like "If you use it, DONATE". These minor improvements are less or more replaceable with standard or other free utilities. Remaining stuff is similar to other TC bundles you can find and use free of charge.
If you want to make money this way, think around to bring people more value to justify donations and I'm sure there will come people who will spend some money for it. In another way, you can spend more of your time with this project as it is and continuously ask for donations, but I think it won't come.

And please read back some of your reactions to other people's opinions you are asking them to tell. People are not bad just because they don't like your dreamed-of project or because they tell you negative reactions to it, once you ask.
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Re: Ultimate File Manager [Total Commander with predefined apps/plugins and settings]

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I think you're all a bit harsh. This project has Christian's blessing and the author of the UFM package is entitled to ask for donations in any way he wants. I don't find it intrusive at all, and nobody forces anyone to donate.

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Re: Ultimate File Manager [Total Commander with predefined apps/plugins and settings]

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I don't find it intrusive at all, and nobody forces anyone to donate.
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Pawel wrote: 2023-09-07, 09:30 UTC Once again, if you use it - DONATE.

This project will not be developed for public users with no support. Sorry.
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Re: Ultimate File Manager [Total Commander with predefined apps/plugins and settings]

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Fla$her,
Went to download, saw one donation request during countdown. Never saw what you are quoting ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
Of course, if one goes looking for donation requests, one will find them.
EDIT: Oh, ok, after googling your exact quote, it's in exactly one post on the second page of this topic.

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Re: Ultimate File Manager [Total Commander with predefined apps/plugins and settings]

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Hacker wrote: 2024-06-06, 20:09 UTC after googling your exact quote, it's in exactly one post on the second page of this topic.
Don't you know that in order to go to the post, just click after "Nickname wrote:"?
I thought any moderator would be aware of this.
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Re: Ultimate File Manager [Total Commander with predefined apps/plugins and settings]

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2macleod
Thank you for clever and substantive comment.

2Hacker
Thank you!

2Fla$her
Project is free for everyone. Nobody forces you to donate. It was always free and for You.
The truth is that project has almost 8 years. For some of you it is nothing, some of you don't see any benefits using UFM. Some of you don't understand what it is and why it exists. I understand. You are welcome to use clean TC or any other TC based pack.
The truth is that I tried many different ways to encourage financial support (website download counter/installer donation page/forum reminds). None of them worked. Very few people even know about the existence of such a project. It was always niche project and will be. That means no money. I can live with that (UFM website has download page that redirects to donat page after downloading, nothing more). But remember - nothing is free. Someone always pays the price for development - it is me.
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