Why not? Mr. Ghisler?

[damieri]

Please support 7-zip(.7z) packer

Hello !
• This subject has been discussed already several times on various forums here.

• Ch. Ghisler waits for a stable version, because currently 7Zip changes too often.

• Then, a packer plugin should be made as *.WCX. Actually, you can use 7ZIP with TC through the MultiArc addon (a bit complicated...)

This is very disappointing. TC is supposed to be a specialist in packing/unpacking, and I was eagerly awaiting the support for 7zip in v6.01 (nope!) then again in 6.02 (nope again!) Why not? The source is free! The compression is 2nd to none. IT IS STABLE. IT does NOT change often! And if you are worried about GPL issues by including 7zip source in TC source then you can always use the LESSER GPL 7za.dll exactly as you use UNACEV2.DLL and UNRAR.DLL.

The support for PKZIP Deflate64(TM) was included, and, xcuz the french, why the hell not 7zip?? Hmmm.

Also, on another topic I brought up a while ago:
Total Commander Inbuilt Lister Suggestions
nothing eventuated as well, even though many others agreed. The specific suggestions were also misunderstood by Mr. Ghisler. And, including TC v6.02, none of the suggestions/improvements are implemented. The inbuilt lister suggestions:
1) Configurable Color for "FOUND" text in the inbuilt LISTER (yes, TC 6.02 now has configurable SELECTED text color, but NOT "FOUND" text. There IS a big difference)
2) Configurable [H-toggle-key] "HIDE" characters for the inbuilt lister (useful for hex viewing). For Example:
[Lister] View ANSI characters as spaces: 0x00-0x1F,0x80-0xFF

I apologise in advance if this post seems a little demanding, but I am somewhat disappointed, and very curious to find out the reasons WHY the above are not seen as very useful improvements to TC.

Thankyou very much for reading.

[Clo]

2damieri
  Hi !
• No comment, except:

1) Configurable Color for "FOUND" text in the inbuilt LISTER (yes, TC 6.02 now has configurable SELECTED text color, but NOT "FOUND" text. There IS a big difference)

• The found text is selected, hence marked in a colour you can choose...
• It's enough for my own using, and I use that very often...

  Regards,
Claude
Clo

[Hacker]

damieri,
Hmm, I am actually not sure about Christian implementing 7Zip support... Clo, where do you have that info from? IIRC Christian branded 7z just "Another incompatible format", I am sure Black Dog has the link to the original thread (if I am not mistaken).

TIA
Roman

[damieri]

  Hi !
• No comment, except:

lol

• The found text is selected, hence marked in a colour you can choose...
• It's enough for my own using, and I use that very often...

Fantastic! But "Found"(ie, F7 searched) text is still not distinguished from "Selected"(Marked) text if they overlap.

So it's 0.5/3.0 from my viewpoint. I know, I am very demanding, but why not? You always have to keep improving!

Cheers. I would really appreciate some "honest" comments on the other issues.

[Clo]

2Hacker
Hi Roman,
• I have read this somewhere here (Plugins Forum, I think) a first time.
- Then, I answered to a French user about the same subject, and Ch. Ghisler confirmed cleary that I told in the damieri 's quote:
http://www.ghisler.ch/board/viewtopic.php?t=1478&start=15

Oui, c'est ça! Pour moi c'est encore trop en stade "beta" pour être utilisable. Mes données me sont trop valables pour les mettre dans un compacteur nouveau...

• In the outlines :
"Yes, right. For me, it's too in a "beta" status still to be usable. My (TC)-data are too important (precious) to put them (to risk them) in a new packer…"

• Like you see above in that French topic, Ch. Ghisler didn't tell that he'll never add 7-ZIP, but only that he's waiting for a quite stable version (I'm not competent enough at this to give you a personal opinion...)
• A bit offtopic (although...), just an info : I attempted to use 7-ZIP "as is", so I tried to set "French"... But "French" doesn't appear in the languages list, though the file exists alright...
- I sent an email to the author of 7-ZIP about this bug, and I'm waiting his answer for... three months !
  Kind regards,
Claude
Clo

[damieri]

A bit off topic, but nonetheless relevant to TC development.

This will be highly controversial, but should be viewed with an open mind.

Why not make TC open source?

Shock! Horror! No! No!

There are risks (financial) but also many benefits (financial and exposure).
There are many open source developers of SUPERIOR products (eg. Gabest's Media Player Classic) that make lots of money from PayPal/etc. "donations" even though it is free software.

The registrations vs. donations will be the financial question. But of course, once it is open source, it is "everyone's" source. It is a BIG decision for ONLY the author to make. Just a thought, with all due respect to Mr. Ghisler. He may end up making more money, and getting more help as well, but it may also be the opposite. TC development, however, would be amazing if it was open source I believe.

[flamesuit on]

Peace to all.

[Clo]

2damieri
• Please, let know that "No comment" from me means rather "in favour"...
• I work with and for WC / TC for almost six years now, I brought some ideas... I'm not against improvements.
• The main part of your text is the Author's business, not mine.
• You can make a poll too, whether you think that something is really missing in TC actually 

  K R
Claude
Clo

[Lefteous]

2damieri

There is a thread in the plugin forum, where 7zip plugin development is dicussed:

http://www.ghisler.ch/board/viewtopic.php?t=3225

You are free to start a 7-zip plugin project.

[damieri]

2damieri

There is a thread in the plugin forum, where 7zip plugin development is dicussed:

http://www.ghisler.ch/board/viewtopic.php?t=3225

You are free to start a 7-zip plugin project.

Thanks for the link.

But even better, give me the TC source and I will have 7zip support INTERNALLY. j/k

I will have a more in-depth look at the 7-zip plugin project though!

[IGL]

Having TC as open source? Maybe there should be started a TC for Linux OpenSource project? Or am I just dreaming?

[Hacker]

damieri,

Why not make TC open source?

This was once discussed in the old forum I think and the conclusion was (IIRC) that making TC open source would mean no money for Christian anymore, which we found he deserves.
I wonder if you can argue a case where TC would be open source and Christian would still make money (with TC).

HTH
Roman

[damieri]

I wonder if you can argue a case where TC would be open source and Christian would still make money (with TC).

I did!

Obviously, it's not my financial neck on the line, but I think its worthwhile for Mr. Ghisler to take an "open" minded (pun-intended) look into it from other open source developers of SUPERIOR products who live on "donations" rather than "registrations".

With very knowledgeable, enthusiastic and loyal users just from this forum, for example, an open source development team is already available!

Mr. Ghisler would have to get some VERY honest information and financial stats from other genuine open-source success stories before deciding on anything though. A comparison between current TC registrations and the amount of donations from any successful open-source project would be useful. I would imagine that an open source TC project would surely be successful, both in development activity and donations. The mentality of getting something SUPERIOR for free and appreciating it, makes donating an amount of YOUR CHOICE and means very liberating and satisfying. There are many "good" people out there who will GLADLY show their appreciation when a product is SUPERIOR. And when its for free, they will feel more obliged to as well! It is a pyschological thing.

Enough from me. I have made my opinions very clear I believe.

[pdavit]

2 damieri

May I ask if you code yourself?

2 All

For me, there are two kinds of programmers:
A. The ones that code as a hobby and B. The ones that code for a leaving!
(that's for the current issue only! )

Now, although it can be a mix and match situation in the majority of cases open source falls into category A. Ok, you may not be a successful programmer (getting paid for your services) if it's not in your veins and as a result had the programming virus as a hobby also sometime in your life but isn't anything successful in this world following that rule?

In my humble opinion there is no such thing as the "hidden" category C where you earn your leaving by doing your hobby. Coding is not like sports. Unfortunately (or fortunately) programmers are not businessmen but it's wise to consider that what they (the programmers) produce acts in a business-y environment even if it's a product for personal use.

Now, from A's point of view it's nice to think that you are willing to contribute your knowledge to improve a source code without charging for you services but how do you justify "borrowing" some thousand maybe millions of lines of coding as a starting point, as a push start for your efforts? For doing it for free? Or for meeting user needs and requests? How do you accolade the guy(s) behind the original work? Don't tell me by the quality of the end result and by the passion of doing something of a common interest?! Coding is art but it's not presented as art, it's not meant to be art. How do you accolade also (or not) knowledge by not pricing the cost of achieving it and applying it, both mental and material? To me it is like passing a newborn child from many families throughout his/her childhood in order to make him/her a better person. Will that work?! No! You will get an intellectual yet characterless person.

I do believe in the idea of open source but if and only if you start from zero ground. We have many successful examples of open source products that did not start from the beginning and picked up from one certain point but I doubt any of them was the outcome of "forcing" the people behind the initial idea to give up in a way their creation (talking always within the limits of law of course!) which also puts a piece of bread on their table every day. Why is so important that coding must be done for free while other services shouldn't?

TC is Christian's child raised with a lot of effort and love. It's 10 years old now and it's too young to be given for adoptions!

Well, that was my contributions to the subject!

[Clo]

2pdavit
   Hi Panos !
• I fully agree.
• Nothing to add... except some semi-colons !  

   Best regards,
Claude
Clo

[krojc]

OK! I'm in favour of open-things, but I don't think G! has anything to do with it with TC except for "merging" ideas and time with let's say krusader project (which I find quite TC ver 3.5 like). If coders from this forum want to contribute they can join them.
If I may add and idea (open-idea ) all that it has to be done is to contact krusader developers, share some bits of code, like plugin system, and start making the best OFM "total krusader" under linux TOGETHER. TC will eventually get an equal open rival.
Credit is shared and can be renamed to resemble TC like TKC, TKOM... ??

Lack of good file manager is a big linux problem, but it's getting solved. So to think about it: is it beter to let it go by alone or join them and get some open credit. After that G! can decide if getting free money is enough for him and his family.

TC has tons of plugins K has "none". Make it common problem.