TC9 x64 Umlauts gets "?" in configure columns for

[p.eter]

If you configure columns for file system, the name of the Plugin in the Dropdown-list shows "?" for German Umlauts. This happens only in TC9 x64 and existed already in version 8.52a x64.
Also the Dropdown-list is smaller than in TC9 x86

Win7 64, TC9 b6

[Dalai]

Can you make a screenshot of what you mean? You description is ambiguous.

In TC9 there is no drop-down anymore to choose the plugin field, instead TC shows the dialog "Choose plugin property". Furthermore, the name of which plugin contains characters that are not in the ASCII charset?

Regards
Dalai

[p.eter]

Sorry for my ambigous description, i will try to be more precise.

If you go to Conifguration -> Custom Columns -> there is a Dropdown-list (or what is it called?) for Configure columns for file system. There you can choose the Configuration of custom columns for FS Plugin installed in TC. The Name of my Plugin is "Gelöschte Dateien" for example
It's installed as a Plugin in wincmd.ini
under [FileSystemPlugins]
Gelöschte Dateien=%COMMANDER_PATH%\Plugins\Dateisystem\Back2Life\Back2Life.wfx

But in the drop-down it shows "Gel?schte Dateien"
I hope it is now a little bit clearer what i mean

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[Dalai]

Ah, now I get it which drop-down you mean. OK, I can confirm the bug for TC x64 while TC 32 bit shows umlauts correctly. It doesn't even work when wincmd.ini is encoded in Unicode (UTF-16).

I guess this bug may have been detected sooner if I had finished another file-system plugin whose name might contain umlauts in German .

Regards
Dalai

[p.eter]

Thank you Dalai for confirming this Bug.


Perhabs you could rename your FS-Plugin "Startups" to "Autostarteinträge"

Have you seen that the drop-down is smaller in x64 then in x86 and you have to scroll down, if there are more entrys in the List?

[Dalai]

Have you seen that the drop-down is smaller in x64 then in x86 and you have to scroll down, if there are more entrys in the List?

Yep. In TC x64 the list shows exactly 8 items at the same time while TC 32 bit shows all of them I currently have in there (14 including <General>).

Regards
Dalai

[petermad]

Hmm, just to see if I could reproduce it I set up a trial version fo TC to run in german and installed the Back2Life plugin - but it only turns up inside TC as "Erased files" not as "Gelöschte Dateien" - so I wonder how you managed to have it insatlled as "Gelöschte Dateien" - maybe it was like that in an earlier version...?

I used this version http://totalcmd.net/plugring/back2life.html - interesting that the web page says it is from 2003, when it is actually from 2013, and the installer is both 32- and 64bit, not only 32bit as it say on totalcmd.net

[sqa_wizard]

petermad you are right, "Erased files" is the default name, but p.eter changed it manually to "Gelöschte Dateien" ...

[Dalai]

2petermad
You can change the name of any WFX plugin that TC shows in Network neighborhood by directly editing wincmd.ini. I've been doing so for years to rename English names like "DevMan" to "Gerätemanager" or "Services" to "Dienste" so it's easier to use for me and other users. TC 32 bit shows names containing umlauts without issues, but TC x64 does not. IIRC there was a similar issue in the past, but I can't remember the exact circumstances (seems I'm getting old ).

Regards
Dalai

[petermad]

Aha, After puttting some öÖ üÜ in the plugin name manually in the ini file, I can make this list of how it works here:

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fileformat:           ANSI   Unicode   UFT-8
32 bit TC dropdown:    OK      OK      not OK
32bit TC file panel:   OK      OK      not OK
64bit TC dropdown:   not OK  not OK      OK
64bit TC file panel:   OK      OK      not OK

by dropdown I mean the dropdown list i the Custom columns setup.

So interestingly enough UTF-8 doesn't work except for excactly the 64 bit TC dropdown list.

Is it a bug that the names are not shown correctly in the file panel when the ini file is UTF-8 encoded??

[Dalai]

Is it a bug that the names are not shown corrctly in the file panel when the ini file is UTF-8 encoded??

Good question. On the one hand, TC uses WinAPI to read INI files, and that API only supports ANSI and UTF-16, but not UTF-8. OTOH, TC applies its own conversion to the strings read from wincmd.ini so it should work. I guess it's some Lazarus "feature" that it works in TC x64 when UTF-8 is used because this encoding is primarly used in Lazarus (but unfortunately not everywhere).

Regards
Dalai

[milo1012]

OTOH, TC applies its own conversion to the strings read from wincmd.ini so it should work.

Not necessarily. While it's true that TC uses UTF-8 to store strings with non-ASCII characters that are not in the system code page, it puts an UTF-8 BOM (byte order mark) in front of it to distinguish UTF-8 from pure ANSI (i.e. local code page) strings.
So if you manually rename the key to a string with non-ASCII characters that are NOT in your local code page, you need to put an UTF-8 BOM in front of it and recode the non-ASCII chars to UTF-8 bytes.
We had some issues with this in the past
http://ghisler.ch/board/viewtopic.php?t=42209

TC uses WinAPI to read INI files, and that API only supports ANSI and UTF-16

True, and therefore recoding the ini file to UTF-8 is something you should never do, because the WinAPI functions transparently recode the bytes and are basically UTF-8 agnostic. TC therefore can't distinguish between ANSI and UTF-8 strings because of the missing BOM in front of every key/value with non-ASCII chars.


Anyway, I can confirm this bug.

[ghisler(Author)]

I could reproduce the problem, thanks.

[petermad]

for TC 9b7 I can make this list:

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fileformat:           ANSI   Unicode   UFT-8
32 bit TC dropdown:    OK      OK      not OK
32bit TC file panel:   OK      OK      not OK
64bit TC dropdown:     OK      OK      not OK
64bit TC file panel:   OK      OK      not OK

So if UTF-8 encoding is not supposed to be supported, the bug can be considered fixed in TC9b7

[p.eter]

yes, the accents are now displayed correctly, therefore fixed in TC9 b7
but the drop-down in x64 is still smaller than in x32