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PostPosted: Sat Feb 17, 2018 10:36 am    Post subject: Sortorder= differs between TC 8.52a (OK) and 9.12 (wrong?) Reply with quote

In my opinion, the ascending sorting after a TC restart in TC 9.12 is not preserved - it remains in TC 8.52a.

Discussion already exists here.
Difference is shown here. (With Ctrl + mouse wheel the display can be optimized).

Can anyone confirm this behaviour?
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PostPosted: Sat Feb 17, 2018 11:26 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

2tuska

On you screenshots I notice 2 things that are not standard TC features:

1. You have the date and time displayed in the Title bar
2. You have an empty horizontal bar between the Folder tab bar and the Drive combo bar.

Marked with red here: http://madsenworld.dk/tcmd/tuska.png

What ever causes these two things - try and disable them and test again.
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PostPosted: Sat Feb 17, 2018 12:15 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

2petermad
The second thing is just a regular tab "blacked" out for privacy reasons.

2tuska
It might be better to pixelate or blur private parts of screenshots or make them another color or the like.

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PostPosted: Sat Feb 17, 2018 2:07 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

petermad wrote:
1. You have the date and time displayed in the Title bar

This is related to an AHK script, which hides my registered user name and displays date and time instead.

petermad wrote:
2. You have an empty horizontal bar between the Folder tab bar and the Drive combo bar.

Dalai has already explained that correctly.

I have used a factor of 100 when graying out - the color adapts to the background color.
I will use a factor of 75 in the future (then it will certainly be more apparent that this is a "blackening") or pixelate as Dalai suggested.

Furthermore I used cm_VisButtonbar, cm_VisButtonbar2 to hide the button bars (horizontal/vertical) (for space).

But these points have nothing to do with the actual problem.

Everything has already been said by me in both forums - I will most likely not do any more tests.
I think if you look at the displayed steps in the picture, it should be apparent -> Point 4. where another user and I suspect a problem.

Either somebody confirms an error or this post disappears in the sinking, as it would already have happened
with the contribution in the English forum (start: 20.1.2018, last contributions from 26.1.2018 | in the forum already on page 2)

I'm sorry to have to say that.

EDIT:
Another possibility, of course, would be for anyone to show a way in which sorting (as in 8.52a) is preserved in TC 9.12
without changing settings in TC that may lead to a disadvantage at a later date.
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PostPosted: Sun Feb 18, 2018 6:31 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Here are again my summary - results (on my PC!):
1. Clean.ini | TC 9.12 (x86, x64) -> OK
2. wincmd.ini | TC 8.52a (x86, x64) -> OK
3. wincmd.ini | TC 9.12 (x86, x64) -> not OK

It should be emphasized that TC 8.52a and TC 9.12 always use the same wincmd.ini.
- I can alternatively invoke TC 8.52a x86 or x64 - sorting is retained
- If I switch to a TC 9.12 version afterwards, the sorting will not work anymore

The main problem with TC 9.12 is:
As also shown in the picture under point 4, after TC restart in wincmd.ini
a) sortorder=3 (3=sort by date) is shown, ...
b) although this view does not exist, but already sortorder=0 (0=sort by name) is shown!
c) only after saving (Configuration - Save Settings) in wincmd.ini the value of sortorder=3 is updated to sortorder=0
c) -> at that time the correct value
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PostPosted: Sun Feb 18, 2018 2:25 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

2tuska
Since it works OK for you in TC9,12 with a clean ini, there must obviously be somthing in your wincmd.ini that TC 8,52a can work with, but that makes TC 9.12 fail.

Is there any chance that you could provide these sections from your wincmd.ini - cleaned for personal information - for us to try, to see if we can reproduce the bug:
[Configuration]
[left]
[right]
[lefttabs]
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[ViewModes]
[ViewModeSwitch]

These are the sections most likely to be responsible for the bug.
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PostPosted: Sun Feb 18, 2018 4:07 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

2petermad
Why not, I am glad that someone takes care of it.
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PostPosted: Mon Feb 19, 2018 8:09 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

2tuska
I think I have found the reason for your problems.

It is in your View Mode setting:
You are using:
Code:
[ViewModes]
0_name=<Vorgabe>
0_icon=
0_options=1|0|0||-1|-1|-1

that means you have set the Standard <Vorgabe> View Mode to show Full columns and Name sorting - so TC does what it is instructed to (applying the Standard View Mode) when starting up - unless another rule applies for the active tabs.

If you instead use this setting:
Code:
[ViewModes]
0_name=<Vorgabe>
0_icon=
0_options=-1|-1|0||-1|-1|-1

then TC will use Unchanged columns view and sorting as standard - that means TC will use the settings that are stored in [left] and [right] ini sections for the current folders - unless an Automatic View Mode shift applies.

So use this as your Standard <Vorgabe> View Mode: http://madsenworld.dk/tcmd/tuska2.png

The reason why changing sortorder in you TC 8.52a works with the same wincmd.ini file, is that TC 8.52a does not support View Modes and Auto View Shift, hence no View Mode Shift takes place when starting TC.
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PostPosted: Mon Feb 19, 2018 11:57 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Thank you very much for finding out the exact point where I got an unexpected result!

However, this point is worthy of discussion for me:
petermad wrote:
.. that means you have set the Standard <Vorgabe> View Mode to show Full columns and Name sorting -
so TC does what it is instructed to (applying the Standard View Mode) when starting up -
unless another rule applies for the active tabs. ..

1. When restarting TC, I do not expect TC to apply the <default> view mode, but the last used view.
1. (With the exception of Tabs "Locked, but directory change allowed" (but this is another topic) this has always worked well so far).

2. If one had to forcibly to set "Unchanged", then in my opinion the View Mode <Default> would be obsolete.

3. The most important point for me, however, is the following: I could not finish a view mode, for example, with cm_SrcViewMode0,
3. because as <default> UNCHANGED is set!
3. A negative effect on the "Auto-run commands:" field in view mode would also be given, as eg a command: |cm_SrcViewMode0 would have no effect

I would rather plead in favour of the values in the wincmd.ini (sortorder=) to be set correctly.
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PostPosted: Mon Feb 19, 2018 12:35 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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I would rather plead in favour of the values in the wincmd.ini (sortorder=) to be set correctly.


When I testet with your wincmd.ini values, the sortorder= was saved correctly for the current directories in the [left] and [right] sections of wincmd.ini, when closing TC - It was merely because of your Standard View Mode setting that the saved sortorder was overridden.

Even if TC did start up with the View Mode that it was closed in, the Standard View Mode will still be applied the first time you enter a directory for which no rule applies, which will usually be most directories - so the View mode at startup wouldn't last long anyway.
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PostPosted: Mon Feb 19, 2018 1:22 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

But that's exactly the problem, because I can not set two fields to "Unchanged" in View Mode <Default>
and otherwise the sort will not be preserved.
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PostPosted: Tue Feb 20, 2018 5:06 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Now I have found a way with which the same behavior can be produced in TC 9.12 as in TC 8.52a.

1.   Configure custom columns... Standard View (Default)
1.1 [=tc.size]
1.2 [=tc.writedate]
1.3 [=tc.attributestr]
1.4 Adjust Tabs to window width: Ticked
1.5 Horizontal scrollbar: Ticked
1.6 Configuration - Save Position

2.   View Mode <Default>
2.1 Colums View: 1 Standard View (Default) (choosen with dropdown-arrow)
2.2 Sortorder: Unchanged

After that the sorting in TC 9.12 remains after a restart.

Unfortunately, this solution still has the disadvantage that, for example,
in a view mode with descending sorting after leaving the view mode,
the descending sorting (undesirable) is maintained.
Unfortunately, this "solution" is impractical.

I stay with this statement:
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I would rather plead in favour of the values in the wincmd.ini (sortorder=) to be set correctly.
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PostPosted: Tue Feb 20, 2018 7:24 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

2tuska
You can also do this:
1. Make a view mode like this: http://madsenworld.dk/tcmd/viewmode1.png
2. And an Auto Swithc rule like this: http://madsenworld.dk/tcmd/viewmode2.png
3. Make sure that Switch rule is the last one.

Then the current sort order will be used when you restart TC, even if you have your <Default> View Mode set to Name sorting.

If you want the current sort order to be preserved when you switch into Network Neighbourhood, Search result or FTP then set up the same View (Folder) for V, S and F, or set up individual Views for these, as long af you set the Sort order to Unchanged for these views as well.

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I remembered that the View Mode behaviour on TC startup was discusssed during the beta-test, and I went back to test the beta versions under these conditions:
1. <Default> View Mode set to Name sorting.
2. Only using directories for which no View Mode Switch rule applies.
3. Savepanels=1

Before TC9.0b4 the sort order behaves like this when restarting TC:
1. Active tab at startup when unlocked: Reverts to the <Default> view sorting.
2. Active tab at startup when locked: Keeps last sorting.
3. Active tab at startup when locked, but dir changes allowed: Keeps last sorting.
4. Inactive tab at startup when unlocked: Keeps last sorting.
5. Inactive tab at startup when locked: Keeps last sorting.
6. Inactive tab at startup when locked, but dir changes allowed: Keeps last sorting, until the tab is opened a second time - then it reverts to the <Default> view sorting.

After TC 9.0b3 but before TC9.0rc6 the sort order behaves like this when restarting TC:
1. Active tab at startup when unlocked: Reverts to the <Default> view sorting.
2. Active tab at startup when locked: Keeps last sorting.
3. Active tab at startup when locked, but dir changes allowed: Keeps last sorting.
4. Inactive tab at startup when unlocked: Reverts to the <Default> view sorting.
5. Inactive tab at startup when locked: Keeps last sorting.
5. Inactive tab at startup when locked, but dir changes allowed: Reverts to the <Default> view sorting.

This change is probably due to this:
Quote:
28.06.16 Fixed: Changed handling of auto view-mode switching: Always determine view mode when switching to a new tab for the first time after it has been loaded (32/64)

As from TC 9.0rc6 the sort order behaves like this when restarting TC:
1. Active tab at startup when unlocked: Reverts to the <Default> view sorting.
2. Active tab at startup when locked: Keeps last sorting.
3. Active tab at startup when locked, but dir changes allowed: Reverts to the <Default> view sorting.
4. Inactive tab at startup when unlocked: Reverts to the <Default> view sorting.
5. Inactive tab at startup when locked: Keeps last sorting.
6. Inactive tab at startup when locked, but dir changes allowed: Reverts to the <Default> view sorting.

The change in behaviour in TC 9.0rc6 for "3. active tab at startup when locked, but dir changes allowed" is not documented in history.txt unless this fix caused it:
Quote:
08.11.16 Fixed: Automatically changed view mode was lost on tab with "locked but dir changes allowed" after 2 or more directory changes and restarting TC (32/64)

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PostPosted: Tue Feb 20, 2018 5:22 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

petermad wrote:
2tuska
You can also do this:
1. Make a view mode like this: http://madsenworld.dk/tcmd/viewmode1.png
2. And an Auto Swithc rule like this: http://madsenworld.dk/tcmd/viewmode2.png
3. Make sure that Switch rule is the last one.

Then the current sort order will be used when you restart TC, even if you have your <Default> View Mode set to Name sorting.

If you want the current sort order to be preserved when you switch into Network Neighbourhood, Search result or FTP then set up the same View (Folder) for V, S and F, or set up individual Views for these, as long af you set the Sort order to Unchanged for these views as well.

2petermad
Ingenious solution!
Thank you also for your efforts and excellent explanations!

I will let me frame the solution with regard to receiving a set sorting after TC restart,
because a normal user like me needs many hours and then still does not have the right solution. Rolling Eyes

Regards
Karl

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EDIT:
NO, this too can not be the final solution, because after leaving a view mode, there are problems ...
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PostPosted: Tue Feb 20, 2018 6:12 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Quote:
NO, this too can not be the final solution, because after leaving a view mode, there are problems

What kind of problems?

Maybe it is because you have a some View Modes where Sort order is blank in the configuration dialog - that should not be possible.

It is these 3:
Code:
10_name=Description_Beschreibungen
10_icon=
10_commands=cm_100percent|cm_50percent
10_options=13|100|0|1,3|-1|-1|-1

Code:
11_name=ERLEDIGTE_OFFENE
11_icon=
11_options=14|100|1|1|-1|-1|-1

Code:
15_name=Fotos_Querformat
15_icon=
15_commands=|cm_SrcViewMode0,em_Filter-alle-löschen
15_options=22|103|1||-1|-1|-1

The sort order for these as you can see are 100, 100 and 103 !!
Correct values that can be used for sort order are -1, 0, 1, 2, 3 or 4.

So somehow your wincmd.ini has been written wrong.
Try and fix these 3 View Modes, and see if that helps...
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