Suggestion: a "Rainbow" Forum...

[Black Dog]

[face=courier]On 27-01-2004 00:33:56 +0000 Sheepdog wrote:

S> I'ts not obvious to me.

Well, we have different points of view, that's OK. But I suppose the example I gave rather obvious because of Moderator comment, actually.

S> I didn't understand Clo as it's supposed to be an english
S> forum but an multiligual forum.

I'm sorry, but why he decided to start this discussion at English forum then?! %) LOL

S> But I guess there will be many other that will do.

I don't care - I stated my opinion about the subject - this is what forums for, actually :).[/face]

[JackFoo]

I propose the Bork, bork, bork! language, Google has already understood it's potential (http://www.google.com/intl/xx-bork/) it's time the rest of the world followed.

Cheers.

[Black Dog]

[face=courier]On 27-01-2004 13:13:29 +0000 Raymond wrote:

R> If most people in this forum do know english, how about
R> advise all members take english forum as the first choice
R> to post.

Well, concerning German - don't think they need it, German forum activity is compatible with English one. Actually Christian has the biggest market in Germany (BTW his native language is SchwizerdÝtsch :) so separate German forum is absolutely warranted from marketing point of view :).
French forum activity is insignificant so actually they need some "international" support terribly, but as you can see they want to have it in any other language but English and even more, to ask their question in French (LOL), so you can suggest them to learn Russian and participate Russian forum as well... :)[/face]

[Sheepdog]

If there were only 1 language in the world, there would be no language barrier, no manuals bigger than the bible, people would always understand each other.

I doubt this. I often talk to people in my (and their) native language. But when it comes to talk about something more deep than weather, there it takes just hours that we understand each other.

sheepdog

[Sheepdog]

[face=courier]
I'm sorry, but why he decided to start this discussion at English forum then?! %) LOL
[/face]

Maybe because there is no multilingual forum

), so you can suggest them to learn Russian and participate Russian forum as well...

Ja gawarju malenkii po russki, a u menja nje Russkii Windows XP i nje Ruskii klaviatura. -> in english: I speak a little bit russian but I've no russian Win XP an no russian keyboard.

So it is not as easy to partizipate at russian forum,as you may think though I were interested in.

But I think the discussion about the best language misses the point.

For my understanding this forum is for people, who need help in their work with TC and Windows. And if you'd say:"they have to learn english to get help" you can also say " They have to learn to use and configure their operating system and to programme their applications, so they wouldn't need any help at all".

of course it's also for programm support and discussion 'bout TC. But not mainly - by a look at the topics.

sheepdog

[Black Dog]

[face=courier]On 27-01-2004 19:35:34 +0000 Sheepdog wrote:

S> Maybe because there is no multilingual forum

The question was "why at English forum, not at French" %).

S> I speak a little bit russian

Please, don't... %)

S> but I've no russian Win XP

As well as me - I never use localized OSes.

S> an no russian keyboard.

Not a big problem - you can remap it in a half of an hour, just add Russian locale and Windows-1251 codepage support to your system. Anyway you can just transliterate Russian like you did here %).

S> So it is not as easy to partizipate at russian forum,as you
S> may think

Believe me, it's much easier you can imagine, my fellow Sheepdog... :)

S> though I were interested in.

As you can see, there are no technical problems here.

S> But I think the discussion about the best language misses
S> the point.

It is pointless, 'cause there is no "best language". Today there is English language and others.

S> And if you'd say:"they have to learn english to get help"

Exactly, and I tell you why. I don't want to be less lazy, insolent and smartassed than any French or German who dare to post at English forum in their one languages. If I use English here, they should use it here too. End of story.[/face]

[ghisler(Author)]

I think that the English forum is - sort of - the multi-language forum. At least on the Internet, English is the Esperanto today, because the largest part of people on the Net understands it (except perhaps for the Chinese, who are a larger part, but not really a market for us yet). English is also a relatively easy to learn language, at least when using a reduced set of words as most non-english-natives do.

The German forum is there because Germany is my largest market, and the French forum because I also understand French (it was the first language I learned at School).

[Sheepdog]

The question was "why at English forum, not at French" %).

Guess to reach most people who know more than one language - as you told before( when I remember well): english is wider spread than french or german even by people who are no native english speakers.

Please, don't... %)

Is it really so bad

As well as me - I never use localized OSes.

not even english

Not a big problem - you can remap it in a half of an hour, just add Russian locale and Windows-1251 codepage support to your system.

I can memorize the english keyboard layout at my german keyboard.
But to remember the cyrillic layout is much too hard for me. A russian girl friend of mine tried it a few weeks and than bought a second keyboard.

Believe me, it's much easier you can imagine, my fellow Sheepdog...

I tried to and believe me: For me it isn't.

S> And if you'd say:"they have to learn english to get help"
Exactly, and I tell you why. I don't want to be less lazy, insolent and smartassed than any French or German who dare to post at English forum in their one languages. If I use English here, they should use it here too. End of story.

And that for Clo suggested an rainbow forum. Where everyone may dare to post in it's own language and can hope to get answer - but don't bother you (and others) who don't want to be bothered.

I think this is a good idea. In my opinion one should noone blame for the lack knowledge.

sheepdog

[Black Dog]

[face=courier]On 27-01-2004 22:13:56 +0000 Sheepdog wrote:

S> Guess to reach most people who know more than one language

Exactly, ergo one international forum already exists - the English one.

S> Is it really so bad

Don't ask.

S> not even english ?

OS can be English or localized.

S> I tried to and believe me: For me it isn't.

As I told you, you can do it technically, but would you or won't is not my business.

S> I think this is a good idea.

I don't think so.

Anyway the question is already answered by Christian.

CG> I think that the English forum is - sort of - the multi-
CG> language forum.
[^Y]
CG> English is also a relatively easy to learn language

I guess, period.[/face]

[Vansumsen]

On a rarement vu couler autant d'encre, pardon de "fiel" sur un sujet qui dans le fond n'a qu'un but... améliorer les relations humaines !

J'ai beau essayer de positiver, la nature humaine me laisse de plus en plus un goût amer...
J'ai toujours prétendu ne pas être "raciste", mais parfois je me sens un brin "culturiste"...
La lecture de ce forum commence franchement à ma saper le moral quand à l'avenir de notre planète...

Seule vérité dans toute cette haine c'est: il faut le reconnaître le forum français ne se porte pas au mieux... mais je crois savoir pourquoi...
les francophone ne sont pas nécessairement minoritaires mais ont probablement moins de problèmes et de difficultés à se servir de TC car leur esprit n'est pas embrumé...
Comme disait un "grand" On n'a pas de pétrole mais on a des idées...

Déçu aussi par la réponse de Christian...

Oh Sorry, j'oubliais que j'étais sur un forum anglais et non multilingue...
mais après relecture des règles de bonne conduite de ce forum, je ne crois pas avoir commis d'impair...

Prochaine escalade prévue pour les cracheurs de fiel: demander à Christian de virer toutes réponses non conforme à la langue du forum...

En attendant: Merci à SHEEPDOG d'avoir répondu, à ma question en français, suite à une question en allemand, sur le forum anglais
(wincmd.ini/tabs)...
Si cela n'est pas du multilingue !

Qui peut me dire combien de réponses ont renvoyé à un forum dans une autre langue ou la question avait déjà été posée ?
Si la barrière des langues n'existait pas bon nombre de questions n'auraient pas été posées...
Personnellement avant de poser une question je fais le tour de toutes les langues... ce serait le paradis si tout était réuni dans un seul forum
ARC-EN-CIEL ou RAINBOW ou REGENBOGEN...peu importe, avec un bouton «Hide the idioms I d'nt support" pour les gens de la langue supérieure ??? et un bouton «Show all languages» pour les autres...



Translated by SYSTRAN ©
One seldom saw running as much ink, forgiveness of "gall" on a subject which in the content has only one object... to improve the human relations!

I in vain test positiver, the human nature leaves me a bitter taste more and more... I always claimed not to be "racist", but sometimes I feel a bit "culturist"... The ding of this forum starts frankly with my sapping the moral one when in the future our planet...

Only truth in all this hatred it is: it should be recognized the French forum does not go as well as possible... but I believe it why... the French-speaking person are not necessarily minority but probably less problems and difficulties have of being useful itself of TC because their spirit is not foggy... As "VIP said" There is not oil
but there are ideas...

Also disappointed by the answer of Christian...

Oh Sorry, I forgot that I was on an English and nonmultilingual forum... but after second reading of the rules of good control of this forum, I do not believe to have made the odd one...

Next climbing planned for the spitting ones of gall: to ask Christian to turn off all answers nonin conformity with the language of the forum...

While waiting: Thank you with SHEEPDOG to have answered, my question in French, following a question in German, about the English forum (wincmd.ini/tabs)... If this is not the multilingual one!

Who can say me how many answers to me returned to a forum in another language or the question had already been put? If the barrier of the languages did not exist connsiderable questions would not have been posed... Personally before putting a question I make a trip of all the languages... it would be the paradise if all were joined together in only one forum ARC-EN-CIEL or RAINBOW or REGENBOGEN... it matter, with a button "Hide the idioms I d'nt support" for people of the highest language ??? and a button "Show all languages" for the others...

[SanskritFritz]

Hmmmm...

I dont't know if it was my fault, should I learn english to understand this systran blabla? lol
This simply doesn't work, there would be so much misunderstandings when using automated translators, they are simply bad.
What you could try at least, is not to write like Villon in french.

[Clo]

2SanskritFritz

This simply doesn't work, there would be so much misunderstandings when using automated translators, they are simply bad.

  Hello!
¤ It's the Paul's goal to show that translation-programs are not a good choice...  
• In another hand, The F. Villon's language is no longer understandable by the most French people! But a lot of these old words have been swiped by... English ! Example: (old Fr.) remaine(r) (Engl.) to remain

  Kind regards,
Claude
Clo

[SanskritFritz]

It's Paul's goal to show that translation-programs are not a good choice

oh... lol i completely misunderstood him. Well, in this sense he succeeded i guess.

The F. Villon's language is no longer understandable by the most French people

I thought so, same in Hungarian